WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:30.000 I just sat down to play and sing. And here I was like, I don't really want to play. I just want to have a Huggly guitar. So I was sitting down with that classical guitar, placing my hands on it and just hugging it. And it felt good. But the inside I had at that moment is that I have these guitars and I have this drum kit, which I barely play. Sounds like my deliscoes. 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:59.000 Hello and welcome to Metacast, the podcast about podcasting, where we are talking about podcasting. I guess. Today is a special day because today we are also recording video. We still remain committed to audio, but we just want to experiment with video and see how it performs on platforms like YouTube. We should also upload it to Android, which is now a Spotify for podcasters. 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:18.000 And see how it performs on Spotify. We just want to play with video. Well, I want to play with video like Earth, Arnav, it'll play with video as well. So one thing that we should really keep in mind, Arnav, today is that if you say something that's visible on the video, we might have to explain to people who just listen what we are talking about. 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:26.000 Like if I say, oh, nice t-shirt. Well, now I have to explain that you have this nice t-shirt with an Orcas tail from which state park? 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:51.000 Let me stand up so you can see it. People can listen because we just see it now. Yeah. It's a nice t-shirt. It's from Line Kill Point State Park in Washington State, Northern part of Washington State. And people on video can actually see the Orcas in the water. And it really is like that, where that's a place where you do a short, very short walk down to the water shoreline. 00:01:51.000 --> 00:02:05.000 And you used to be able to see Orcas right by the water. The Orcas of this area, the Pacific Northwest, they're undergoing some challenges. They are not visiting that area anymore and their numbers are decreasing too. 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:16.000 Oh, such a set start to our meta-suit. Yeah. But it's the it's reality. So talking about video, I wasn't feeling very good. I have a headache going on and stuff. 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:29.000 But Ilya said, hey, let's put on some nice t-shirts. I'm going to wear my Metallica thing. They have your full fighters. And for the life of me, I could not find anything related to music anywhere. 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:39.000 And there I did donate a whole lot of t-shirts about three, four months back. So maybe I did that. I don't know. But this is a nice one. I really like this shirt. 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:45.000 Nice. I really wanted to wear our Metacast t-shirt, but I couldn't find it. 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:54.000 But it's only been like a week that we've done it. Maybe it's just been in the dryer somewhere or in the dirty clothing bin. 00:02:54.000 --> 00:03:02.000 So yeah, I wear the Metac Lica shirt, which is the next best thing for this podcast. 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:08.000 I know you said videos, so we can't edit easily and stuff like that. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed behind my head or whatever. 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:16.000 But we do have another dog. I usually have my dog with me. We are also babysitting or dog sitting a dog. 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:21.000 So we'll see how this goes. How much anything we have to do or not have to do. 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:27.000 This is the perfect episode to showcase the dogs. Maybe they'll come in at some point anyway. 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:34.000 And I have this awesome setup right now. So basically I spent a couple of hours today with my son setting up this room. 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:42.000 It kind of kept him occupied while I was doing that. So I have two lights that I've had for maybe seven years that really light me up. 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:47.000 And those who watch the video, they can see how actually cool it looks much better than I thought. 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:52.000 I'm using my iPhone 14 Pro. The smaller one, not the maximum. 00:03:52.000 --> 00:04:00.000 Fancy. Yeah, to record the video. So basically I have a selfie stick with a tripod right behind my laptop. I'm looking at it right now. 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:07.000 And my Mac is using my iPhone's camera to do the recording, which is just mind blowing that it actually works. 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:12.000 Oh, yeah. That logs recently, right? With iOS 16 or then the latest Mac update. 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:20.000 Occasionally it gets triggered like I'm in a work conference call and it starts to show people contents of my pocket or something. 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:26.000 Because it just turns on the phone camera for some reason automatically automatically. Yeah, I don't know why. 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:32.000 I don't know why it doesn't. I don't know if it's a Google Meet or if it's some Apple stuff. I have no idea. 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:37.000 But it works really, really nice. I was comparing it to two of my HD webcams today. 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:40.000 And the quality is just, I mean, you can see the quality, right? 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:49.000 It looks so much better. Yeah. And your background too. Now that you say it, you have like a very tastefully placed drum set and your guitar in there. 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:57.000 When you first start joined this session on Squatcast, I first thought that looks like one of those zoom backgrounds almost. 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:03.000 You know how you're sitting in a snowy cafe or like on the beach? Right. Yeah. It looks so good. But it's all real. 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:10.000 Or at least I believe it's real. And to make it even more real, I can actually tell people to listen. 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:18.000 That's a crash symbol. No, it's a right. It's a crash. And we didn't sound that in that day at all. We promise you. 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:27.000 Yeah. So I have this drum kit. Actually, that's interesting thing since we start talking about music. Yeah. I was out in Peru, like in the jungle, it retreat. 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:32.000 And I really wanted to play the guitar. And one person there had a guitar with her. 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:39.000 So I grabbed the guitar from her and I just sat down to play and sing and realize like, I don't really want to play. 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:46.000 I just want to hug the guitar. So I was sitting down with that classical guitar, placing my hands on it and just hugging it. 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:55.000 And it felt good. But the inside I had at that moment is that I have these guitars and I have this drum kit, which I barely play ever. 00:05:55.000 --> 00:06:02.000 I maybe play this drum kit maybe 10 times in the last four months. And my guitars play like once a month, twice a month. 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:14.000 Sounds like my telescopes. Yeah. I was filled guilty about it though. Right. But then what that moment in Peru made me realize is that it's actually okay to have a musical instrument or any other kind of thing. 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:21.000 Just being placed on the wall where you can see it and just enjoy the sight of it. And that's just okay. 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:27.000 Like you can buy whatever a Monet picture for like thousands of bucks, right? Or maybe millions of bucks. 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:32.000 And all you do with it is enjoy. Why can't I enjoy my 500 dollar guitar like that? 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:33.000 Yeah. Yeah. 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:41.000 Talking about enjoying, I think you were missing AWS too much, right? So you put on those EC2 looking blocks behind you. 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:49.000 So for those people who are listening behind me, I have those sound absorption panels in the shape of a cell. 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:58.000 We will do a squad shot so you can see those on the picture. So yeah, put those on the wall so that they reduce the echo in the room, the reverberation room. 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:07.000 I think people who are not used to AWS or cloud may recognize like they're basically honeybee nest shape. 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:13.000 Yeah, I brought some really awesome honey from Peru, but that's it. 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:14.000 We all was done with it. 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:22.000 Talking about all that, I think we should at least say what episode the cats it is and let that start with that. 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:30.000 So that's a tricky part, right? When we recorded our last meta-sode, which was meta-sode, I think it's what's episode 11 that comes out next week. 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:32.000 But today is March 12th when we record this. 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:36.000 It's March 12th and this episode is coming out on 5th of April. 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:42.000 Yes, this episode will come out on April 5th and this episode number 13. 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:53.000 Yeah, 13. So when we recorded our last episode, we said that we were looking forward to the Sounders FC guests from the Sounders FC podcast. 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:58.000 And that was supposed to be our episode number 12 that recording got canceled for now. 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:06.000 Hopefully it will be rescheduled, but now since the season just started, it may be rescheduled like in the 2024. 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:07.000 I'm going to be surprised, right? 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:12.000 So they said like how much should we talk about the future given how unknown the future is? 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:14.000 Yeah, I don't know. We'll see. 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:18.000 And we record like at least a month or a month and a half I had to. 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:20.000 So things changed quite a lot. 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:30.000 Yeah. So instead of Sounders FC people, our episode number 12 was with Ronak and Guang from the software, Miss Adventures podcast. 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:33.000 So actually, I know how I'm going to call this meta-suit. 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:37.000 I'm going to call it the podcasting Miss Adventures meta-suit. 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:39.000 It's going well. 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:46.000 Yeah. Yeah. I listen to half of that episode today. 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.000 I think it's a very good episode. 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:50.000 I'm going to give edits to be done though. 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:56.000 But one thing I wanted to just call out right away just to give our listeners and viewers now some context. 00:08:56.000 --> 00:09:09.000 Our process is such that when we record an episode with guests, then I would usually put all of those tracks together, mix them without edits and send them to our naps so that he can listen to those. 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:11.000 And I would also listen to them occasionally. 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:20.000 And that helps us prepare for the meta-suit recordings. Meta-suit is a meta-episode about previous episodes and just podcasting in general with no guests. 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:31.000 But this time what we did is we just went to squadcast the tool we use for recording and downloaded the mixed version as a cloud recording, which kind of serves the needs that we have. 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:34.000 We just need to listen to something that's very rough. 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:44.000 Quality doesn't matter, we just need to listen to the content to remind ourselves what we were talking about. However, the quality of that cloud recording is just absolutely horrible. 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:51.000 Especially Gwangs because he was in Mexico City. His latency was probably higher than ours who were in the US and Canada. 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:55.000 But the podcast quality will be great because it's only recorded locally. 00:09:55.000 --> 00:10:01.000 It's just such a great showcase for why you need to record locally versus rely on like Zoom or other tools. 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:06.000 And we're going to do a bit of details behind this. So we are using squadcast to record it. 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:14.000 Squadcast, it's like Zoom. You're on a Zoom call. So you can see everybody and you're like talking at the same time and you're recording. 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:23.000 Squadcast is recording everything locally, but also pretty much real time uploading it into their cloud. 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:26.000 So we had four people on the last episode. 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:34.000 So there would be four individual audio tracks of those four people in squadcast. You can download all four tracks individually. 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:46.000 This is what Ilya used to do in preparation for our metasodes. When we do the metasode, we want to listen to the full episode so that we kind of remember what we talked about and we bring in interesting points from there and all that. 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:59.000 And so what Ilya would do is download those four tracks and then stitch them together and there would be like time drafts and all that and you'll have to adjust and maybe do some first layer of editing at the same time. 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:06.000 This time we decided let's not wait for all that and it takes a lot of time. Let's just use the cloud recording. 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:21.000 That was the first realization I had is how bad the quality is especially for Guang. He would sometimes say things that drift away or there's a different pitch to it towards the end of the sentence. 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:27.000 Yeah, lots of crackly noise. Basically, like what you hear in log distance calls over any kind of messenger, right? 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:45.000 Because they try to compress the audio so much that there's so much lost frames, I guess. Data was data. Yeah. And I think the other effect of that was also when we had four people talking and all four streams are like simultaneously there's some audio coming in from it. 00:11:45.000 --> 00:12:07.000 It was almost impossible to understand what's being said. And this is the amazing thing once we actually download those individual local recorded audio streams and do the amazing sound editing when you folks, the listeners or the viewers of this when you hear that episode, you won't know any of that. 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:11.000 I still don't know any of the details of the process, but the whole thing is amazing. 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:21.000 Yeah, actually right now I hear a bit of static in my ears. So I don't know where the static is coming from. So I guess we'll have to figure out if Misha can edit that. 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:24.000 Yeah. And yeah, I will see. 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:32.000 So talking about Misha, I think that was one of the things I want to quickly bring up. Do you want to tell us about Masha and Misha? 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:34.000 Masha and Misha. Yeah. 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:43.000 I think we talked briefly about both of them in the previous episodes. First of all, both of them will be listening to this. So I guess we should say hi. I'm Misha. Hi, Masha. 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:54.000 So Masha is the sister of my wife who is currently a student in a university in St. Petersburg in Russia. And she studied in foreign languages, one of which is English. 00:12:54.000 --> 00:13:08.000 So yeah, I offered her a little gig to help her make a little money and help us produce her podcast. She has just done with our episode 11. I showed her how to edit things in the script, like how you remove things that you don't need. 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:20.000 It shouldn't be there like filler words, pauses that belong and stuff like that. So yeah, she is doing that in the script while also practicing her English and getting the first job on her resume. 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:38.000 Actually, I'm yet to listen to the results of her work, which I'll listen to tomorrow and assuming everything is good. I'm going to take what she's edited and sent it to Misha for audio engineering where he would apply EQ, been equalizer, remove breaths, all this kind of stuff that's more like technical. 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:41.000 Yeah. So basically she's our editor, content editor, yeah. 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:51.000 And he's our sound editor, yeah, like some engineer coming back to Ronan and go on episode the point I want to make about that cloud recording. 00:13:51.000 --> 00:14:01.000 Because basically what you get in cloud recording is what you hear while you talk is like what's been streamed and the quality just absolutely horrible, which we don't notice as we speak. 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:14.000 But if you listen to that, it just becomes apparent. So I did your podcast, I guess there's no quick and dirty way. You just have to actually do some work and or spend money to make it sound good. 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:27.000 So in that episode, Guang's he's like traveling or no, he's actually living in Mexico City right now. And he's apartment actually lost power while we were recording. 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:40.000 So he was gone from the stream for a little bit and then came back again after maybe about 10 minutes or so. And after the recording, Ilya, you and I had like, how the heck are we going to edit all of that sync it. 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:48.000 It's going to be so much work. I'm wondering we haven't done the editing yet, but I'm wondering how hard it would be to process and what really have to do. 00:14:48.000 --> 00:15:03.000 I guess here is logistics. So we have one long file for both of us because we were during the entire time. Then we have Ronax file, which started the same time as ours, but finished sooner because he had to drop. 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:17.000 And then we have two files from Guang, one of them starts with everybody else. And then there was a small gap because he was absent for maybe a minute. But then his file ends were our files end because we finished recording at the same time. 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:30.000 So I think what I'll be able to do is basically all the four files will start at the same time. So it will be easy to think. I mean, it's like synch by default. Then Ronax file will just end wherever it ends doesn't matter. 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:44.000 But then the second Guang file, I'll sync to where our files end. And that will hopefully give us that gap in between. But I think what I'll have to do is I'll have to actually go through the speaker transitions in that episode before I send it to much. 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:49.000 Because I think it will be a bit too much for her to edit with all the love and stuff. Yeah. 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:56.000 Given the score, like second episode, I think it's a bit too much. Yeah. When I was listening to the metasod, we also spoke over each other quite a lot. 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:59.000 I don't know how this script is going to handle that. That'll be fun. 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:07.000 Oh, it's such a pain as to handle this in the script because you have to switch between the text mode and proper multi track mode. 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:22.000 And that proper multi track mode leaves much to be desired. It's not powerful enough compared to like a reaper and other tools where you can just like quickly do something in fraction of a second in this script, you might spend 10 seconds to do the thing I could do in one second in the reaper. 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:31.000 Right. So if Guang had dropped one more time, that middle segment. So he joined and it's sync to when we start. 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:41.000 And the last segment would be sync to when we end makes sense. The middle one. How would you put that in? Would you have to listen to the whole thing again and again to figure it out? 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:50.000 I think so. Yeah. Well, the way this could work because mostly only one person speaks at the time. You hope so. 00:16:50.000 --> 00:17:07.000 You know, when you ask question and one person responds to you will have that place in audio where let's say three of our tracks yours mine and run acts. We either have silence or we have just tiny blips, maybe like laughs or some filler words like right or yes or whatever. 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:17.000 And then Guang's file would have some speech. They would like more or less match in terms of the length, like length of silence in our tracks versus length of speech and his. 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:32.000 I could align it that way. It doesn't have to be perfect. Some of the worst things I had to deal with previously is syncing video with audio because if you have different what they call the hurts one is the frame rate frequency frame rate. 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:42.000 I think it's a frame rate. Yeah. I think my camera was recording at 44.1 kilohertz and my audio was recording at 48 K. 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:52.000 What you get is like it starts fine, but then it just starts drift over time. And I think I was doing like some musical instrument kind of stuff like playing a guitar and recording that. 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:58.000 So within the five minutes, I was doing that. There was drift. I forgot what I had to do, but it was just so infuriating. 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:00.000 Right. That's it to edit that. 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:13.000 The other thing was also it highlighted to me the importance to have isolated audio tracks because there were quite a few times when I was listening to the cloud recording, which is that quality we know already. 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:18.000 Where people are like somebody's laughing while somebody's trying to say something. 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:24.000 And I can't understand what they're trying to say anymore or three or four people are talking at the same time. 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:32.000 This is where if you have isolated tracks, you can suppress the volume of those other tracks and give boost to the one of those tracks. 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:38.000 One interesting thing about that recording is that we were saying just how great squat cast was. 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:45.000 We were giving it all the praise deserves. And then after finished recording, we thought we lost the files. 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:52.000 I even had to open the support ticket to squat cast. The problem, however, was that the user interface was a bit confusing. 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:59.000 It was showing some kind of like a line or something that I thought meant that it's 100% done. 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:06.000 But as a support person explained to me, if you see the line, it means that it's still processing that just wasn't clear to me. 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:10.000 And we can freaked out for a second because the files weren't uploaded. 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:14.000 Then they were uploaded, but we just couldn't download them for some reason. 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:20.000 That didn't happen to us before I think because we didn't check right away when we recorded video. 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:25.000 First of all, we recorded video and I think because we did video, we just took a little longer. 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:31.000 Then we were checking it right away and I think that also contributed to our anxiety. 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:37.000 Plus there was a lot of drifts and all that, not drifts, but thinking like Guang Rob came back again. 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:39.000 There were multiple files and things going on. 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:46.000 Then I think Guang closed this browser window too and then you send them an email and he opened it anyway. 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:51.000 At the end of it, I think it was all perfect. 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:56.000 Yeah, at the end of it, it's all just fine, but we freaked out for a moment. 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:59.000 Actually, to be fair, it was quadcast, so everything worked just fine. 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:02.000 It's just user interface that could have been a little bit more intuitive there. 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:07.000 And their support, they responded within 10 minutes, 15 minutes, very quickly. 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:09.000 And that was awesome. 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:12.000 I think within an hour, we had everything sorted out. 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:20.000 One thing I wanted to bring up about the podcast is I think that one turned out more as a discussion rather than an interview. 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:24.000 Because they were all secure and how we record our podcast. 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:30.000 Actually, it ended up being less of us just asking questions, but more of us asking questions, but also them asking some of those questions back to us. 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:32.000 Because they were all secure. 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:35.000 So yeah, that was pretty cool. I really liked the vibe of it. 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:38.000 I was listening to the episode I really liked. 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:45.000 I was very engaging. I can't believe that it was one hour, 20 minutes, but I didn't know when I started listening. 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:49.000 I mean, I know when I started listening, but I didn't know that it literally was so quickly. 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:50.000 It was very engaging. 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:52.000 You actually finished listening to the whole thing? 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:53.000 Yeah, in one session. 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:54.000 Oh, wow. 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:59.000 Yeah. I'll listen to half an hour because that's just how much I had to drive today. 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:01.000 No, I went for a dog walk. 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:04.000 I was listening at about 1.1x, I think. 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:06.000 It was a long, beautiful sunny day. 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:07.000 Sorry, it was a long dog walk. 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:09.000 I didn't think that I would finish it. 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:13.000 There's a point about five minutes before the end where we say, oh, we have to wrap up. 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:17.000 That's when I looked at it and I think, wow, yeah, it was very engaging. 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:18.000 Well, it's good. 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:20.000 It's good. I found it to be very enjoyable. 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:26.000 One thing I found a bit jarring about that cloud recording is that the volumes of tracks were so different. 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:29.000 I think Guangs was a very loud compared to Ronux. 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:33.000 So I was driving ahead to turn the volume knob back for a little bit. 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:37.000 Because I almost had to listen to the max volume when Ronux was talking. 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:40.000 Then Guang would come in, or one of us would come in and do just too loud. 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:42.000 And I would have to take a look back. 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:44.000 And my car, it's a good car. 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:49.000 But the volume knob is just absolutely infuriating because it could be better. 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:51.000 It's not too sensitive enough, I think. 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:55.000 You have to really turn it many times, many oscillations to make it quieter. 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:57.000 Two cores, the steps. 00:21:57.000 --> 00:22:02.000 Yeah, the steps are maybe too grander because I actually want them to be more cores-grane. 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:09.000 Yeah. The other thing I want to call out is how they talked about how it was really nice to receive an email from you. 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:10.000 Ereging your email. 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:13.000 They could really see that you actually know their stuff. 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:19.000 You've listened to many episodes and it was a very nice email and they actually praised you for writing that email. 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:25.000 Because they also said how many emails they get, like people asking just to be on the podcast and some ads or whatever, right? 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:27.000 Yours was very different. 00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:31.000 And I just have this flashback to back in October, I think. 00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:33.000 I first started emailing people. 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:39.000 One of the tasks we had was to come up with a template and then we quickly scratched that because the template wouldn't be any good. 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:44.000 If we reach out to people, we actually have to know what they do. 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:48.000 Just from a purely pragmatic perspective, there's the chances of getting the response. 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:52.000 It has to be an email that touches something personally, right? 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:54.000 The template just wouldn't cut it. 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:58.000 One of the emails, I forgot which one it was, but I spent an hour writing a three-paragraph email. 00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:02.000 And well, I got yes. So it was worth it. 00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:07.000 I guess could us to us for writing those awesome emails that get people to respond and come to our podcast. 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:12.000 So who's the next guest that's coming that like reading the email that you sent? 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:16.000 Oh my God. A finger crossed that nothing gets canceled or anything. 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:25.000 We are getting Justin Frankel, who is the founder of Winam, which is the app that I get the goosebumps. 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:30.000 But maybe after my early 20s, teens and early 20s, I used Winam to listen to MP3 files. 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:33.000 I assume you used it too in India. 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:35.000 Yeah. I mean, I think everywhere. 00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:38.000 I was listening to the interview of Justin Frankel with Brian McCullough. 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:42.000 He wasn't Brian McCullough's inter-adhesive podcast in 2015. 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:46.000 The audio quality is absolutely terrible because they recorded it in the conference room. 00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:49.000 And it's actually pretty hard to listen to. 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:53.000 I feel shameless about asking maybe some of those the same questions that Brian asked. 00:23:53.000 --> 00:24:00.000 Because his quality is just so hard to listen to that we could give listeners the same question about quality. 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:03.000 And we could call out Brian when we talk about that. 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:14.000 When I was listening to that, Brian was saying that everywhere in the US, in all of the dorm rooms, people who are reading Winam play files, they download it from the internet and Napster and all that. 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:16.000 I don't think it was just the US. 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:22.000 When I was in college, we had a land like that too, so that everybody could get access to everybody's. 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:26.000 You didn't call it pirated music because that term did not exist. 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:28.000 That was the way to share music. 00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:31.000 You just put it on a land and everybody gets it from there. 00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:35.000 Every single person had Winam running there everywhere. 00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:36.000 Yeah, Winam was awesome. 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:51.000 But even more importantly for our field, Justin Frankel, after he was done with working for AOL, American Line, after it acquired Winam, he went on to found Cocos, which is the name of the company. 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:54.000 We will have to ask you about the name of the company that way. 00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:56.000 And that company created Ripper. 00:24:56.000 --> 00:25:01.000 He said, I created Ripper in that interview, so I'm curious how much code he actually wrote himself. 00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:06.000 I will be surprised if he wrote most of the core code, at least of the early versions. 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:10.000 So yeah, Ripper is the digital audio workstation that we use. 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:13.000 I mean, I've used for the last seven years or so. 00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:15.000 All of our episodes are produced in Ripper. 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:22.000 Actually, Misha posted a message in one of the chats with other podcasters saying, hey, you're interviewing this guy. 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:24.000 I have questions sent them to me. 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:26.000 So he's going to send me some questions later today. 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:29.000 We will see some, hopefully some questions from the field, you know. 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:32.000 So I'm super excited about that. 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:35.000 And another one that's upcoming is Viman Hookout podcast. 00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:37.000 We already have it in our calendar. 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:40.000 So unless things go wrong, we will have that as well. 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:51.000 And one of the things we're talking about in the Rona Kedguang episode is when you get started, people just say yes and come to your show and spend time with you and just help you out. 00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:53.000 And it's not just for podcast, right? 00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:58.000 When you're earlier in your career, if you just ask, most people will say no, but some people will say yes. 00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:04.000 I don't think most people will say no. If you know how to ask it, I think most people will say yes. 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:05.000 Actually, it's a good point. 00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:09.000 Yeah, some people may not see your stuff because it goes into some kind of spam and email or LinkedIn. 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:16.000 If you get too many, I guess you have to be very careful about what kind of level of people you ask for things. 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:19.000 It has to be appropriate, both for you and them. 00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:23.000 Yeah. Right. Yeah, like somebody I know recently, he posted on LinkedIn. 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:28.000 He said something like, I want to start a podcast and I want the first guest on my show to be like Friedman. 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:30.000 Can anybody connect me to like Friedman? 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:32.000 I let her pink. 00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:34.000 So very able to connect to like Friedman. 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:43.000 He's like, no, and he sent him some messages he'd reply and nobody could connect him because that person is just so high in hierarchy, social hierarchy, I guess. 00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:45.000 Or podcasting hierarchy. 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:52.000 That it's a gas almost impossible for folks like us to get him unless we actually know someone who he would know really, really, really well. 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:56.000 And we just do us a favor, you know, we have to actually do that person a favor, not us. 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:58.000 This is just something to keep in mind. 00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:07.000 Even if you are in a career situation, if you just send a message to Vice President at Google or something, you will probably not get a response at all. 00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:11.000 Whereas if you send a message to an engineer at Google, you actually might get a response. 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:17.000 The exception to this, I think very well generic rule is Elon Musk. 00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:21.000 And I think if you send a tweet to him, he will respond. 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:22.000 Oh my god. 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:24.000 So I start using Twitter again. 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:28.000 So by the way, you should promote our social handles more. 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:32.000 So our not social handle is impossible to spell. 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:34.000 So it just looked for it in the show notes. 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:36.000 Mine is just my last name. 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:40.000 It's actually meant to be very easy and it's the same one everywhere. 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:48.000 It's because I wanted it to be AR and maybe my first name, but the only place where I got that was GitHub. 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:56.000 And everywhere else, I believe there's a person called Arnaud Nandi or somebody else. They basically got it everywhere else. 00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:59.000 And people mispronounced my name quite a lot. 00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:02.000 So they pronounce it with a zero in the nine right? 00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:05.000 Yes. Well, talking about Elon Musk, I think. 00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:12.000 Yeah. You know what I'm talking about his first child or I don't know which child, but one of their names is. 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:16.000 Well, you should look it up, but yeah, it's very different, unique. 00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:22.000 Getting back to it, most people in India, my name is pronounced as Arnaud. 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:29.000 Right? Whereas where I come from in Assam, it's pronounced more like Arnaud. 00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:36.000 So I wanted to add that a little bit while trying to get a unique handle that I could get everywhere. 00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:42.000 The one that I got was like Doorknob, but you cut the D. Okay. 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:46.000 Arnaud. Yeah. So Arnaud. 00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:48.000 Let me try to spell it back to you. 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:52.000 So it's zero, R, nine, OB. 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:56.000 Yep. Right? Yeah. Okay. I can never spell it. 00:28:56.000 --> 00:29:01.000 You did good. Yeah. I just told you first name, let's say on Instagram. 00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:04.000 And it matches your nickname to your alias. 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:06.000 What do you call it? 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:07.000 Yeah, user name. 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:08.000 User name. 00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:09.000 Yeah. So what's yours? 00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:16.000 It's the left. So it's just my last name, which also will be I guess hard to pronounce or remember for people who don't know the language. 00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:21.000 Because actually in Russian language, it means somebody who does no work like lazy person. 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:26.000 Yeah. Which is quite an opposite of how I see myself. 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:30.000 But yeah, so for Russian speakers, it's easy to remember. 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.000 I'm really curious about how that last name came to be now. 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:37.000 For multiple generations, I probably had a slacker somewhere. 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:41.000 Because my dad, my granddad, also very hard working, my great granddad, very hard working. 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:43.000 I mean, who better the same family name. 00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:48.000 So it must be my great, great granddad or before beyond that. 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:50.000 Yeah. It's like somebody in 19th century. 00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:56.000 But speaking about the reason why I brought it up is I haven't used Twitter for a long time and I wanted to promote it already. 00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:58.000 So I posted it there. 00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:00.000 And actually, it felt good to tweet. 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:02.000 I don't know. It just somehow it felt good. 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:05.000 And then it wrote something like, I'll give it a fourth try. 00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:08.000 And then I wanted to tag Elon Musk just to see what happens. 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:15.000 And then I'm like, if he responds, I don't know if I want Elon Musk to respond to me because it might just happen to me. 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:17.000 Well, there's nothing like bad publicity, right? 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:19.000 There's some bad energy about bad publicity. 00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:24.000 No, no, I'm kidding. Yeah, there is absolutely bad things about bad publicity. 00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:27.000 Yeah, yeah. I'm now watching this show, Super Pumped. 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:30.000 I think it's what's called about Uber. Have you watched that? 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:32.000 No. Oh, it's on HBO, I think, right? 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:33.000 Yeah, I think so. 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:36.000 Yeah, I think so. Yeah. So they've got a lot of bad publicity. 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:40.000 I mean, Uber. And oh my God, it's just so awful. 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:43.000 And a lot of it deservedly for all of it, deservedly. 00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:45.000 I can't expect that. 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:47.000 But yeah, first some terrible things about Uber. 00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:50.000 Actually, I personally only used to work a couple of times. I always used lift. 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:51.000 I only want to have good vibes. 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:55.000 One quick thing. We actually got our first reading. 00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:59.000 I think in Spotify, one of our friends told us that she gave us a reading. 00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:04.000 Great. Thank you. Yay. And I also got a bit of private feedback. 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:09.000 Somebody emailed me saying that they're really enjoying all our episodes. 00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:13.000 And it's like they hear my voice and they know me from like a long time back. 00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:15.000 Right. So they're really enjoying it. 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:19.000 But at the same time, the metasodes are very long. 00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:24.000 So I think maybe aiming for 45 minutes to an hour or something like that might be good. 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:27.000 And we're about 42 minutes in. So I just wanted to drop that in. 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:32.000 So I also got some good feedback from our friend James. 00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:36.000 Let's say hi to James. Actually, James is listening to his send us a note. 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:45.000 That's how he does. If you listen to James sent the message a couple of days ago, saying that he would enjoy the primers out about Sandman. 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:49.000 And I've been trying to sell him on Sandman for the last three years. 00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:53.000 I think the comics are the audiobook or the comics and the audiobook. 00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:55.000 I mean, first in comics, they're then an audiobook. 00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:59.000 Because I think first time I tried to sell him on the Sandman, the audiobook hadn't come out yet. 00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:00.000 So it was all about the comics. 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:05.000 Yeah. And he said that our primers. So it finally convinced him to listen to the book, the audio version, 00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:08.000 which was good. It's like impact. You know, influence. 00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:14.000 We should probably do a second version or second revision of the primisode at some point. 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:18.000 I'll just add like I won't take more than 25 seconds. I promise. 00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:20.000 But I'll see something about the Sandman. 00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:23.000 Hopefully we won't go this time on a tangent. 00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:30.000 Okay. By the way, for people who did not know about this in one of the episodes, I forget which one. 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:33.000 Ilya and I started recording a metasode. 00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:41.000 But we basically spent like an hour and a half talking about Sandman and comics and other stuff, where we decided, okay, we'll make this a primisode. 00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:43.000 And that became our episode seven. 00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:44.000 Seven point five. 00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:46.000 Seven point five. Yes. 00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:49.000 Because which is not prime. But anyway. 00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:52.000 But anyway, about the audiobook, right? 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:58.000 So after we talked, I watched the show on Netflix. I haven't finished it, but I watched quite a few episodes. 00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:00.000 And I started listening to the audiobook too. 00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:12.000 The thing that I got was if I know the content very well, either from having read the comics or having watched the show, the audio series was amazing. 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:27.000 But when I drifted the audio part to more than what I had already seen on TV, I had a very hard time keeping it all in my head about who's speaking, what are they talking about? 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:31.000 You have to know the content for that audio book to make sense, I think. 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:32.000 Oh, it's interesting. 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:36.000 Because I already had all these images from the comic books. 00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:39.000 And to your point, the plot is very complex. 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:42.000 All these multiple dimensions and all these characters. 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:48.000 And the same characters being represented in different shapes and sizes and genders or whatever. 00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:55.000 Actually, not gender. The gender is always the same in the comic books, but changes their appearance in names depending on the time. 00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:56.000 So yeah, we can totally get it. 00:33:56.000 --> 00:34:00.000 I think it goes best with comics because it's a one-to-one match. 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:02.000 Yeah, and I think that includes your 25 seconds. 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:09.000 Yes. So what were some of your takeaways from that episode that we recorded last month? 00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:18.000 I think the part that I enjoyed the most was hearing guan's things about working from different places, living in different places. 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:27.000 And I have always wanted to do that, but I have a kid and a dog who keep me rooted, happily rooted into this place where I am in. 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:31.000 But I think otherwise, I probably would have tried to do something like that too. 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:33.000 So I really enjoyed talking to him about that. 00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:41.000 And talking about Mexico, I am going to Mexico this coming week for a short one week break, really excited. 00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:47.000 The first time I went is last year, and I really like the culture and the language and the people. 00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:51.000 So I started basically a journey of picking up Spanish. 00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:56.000 I won't say I'm even at the intermediate level at this point, but I do know the basics now. 00:34:56.000 --> 00:35:02.000 And this time when I go, I am hoping to have a lot of conversations all in Spanish. 00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:04.000 Let's see how it goes. 00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:12.000 So next time you start an intro to our episode, you should say, Hala, Hala, Hala, see. 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:14.000 Come with that. 00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:21.000 Yeah, I knew we would drift into the career discussion with these guys, so it was really interesting as always. 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:32.000 Sometimes, you know, like when I talk to folks who are like single and have no children, maybe I'll say younger than I am, I would be like, this is the prettiest travel you can, right? 00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:37.000 Or leaving different places, like before we had our first child, we lived in three or four different countries. 00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:39.000 Because it was easy. 00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:41.000 We could just move any time we wanted. 00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:46.000 I mean, any time things had to align, job and all that, and immigration. 00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:48.000 But there was no school to take care of. 00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:51.000 There was no house to sell or anything like that. 00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:53.000 We didn't even have cars. 00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:58.000 So you just like pack your stuff, can you lend lower the keys back and off you go. 00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:02.000 But now, with the remote work, you can also just travel and work from anywhere. 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:10.000 During COVID, actually, I spent so much time working from other places like Hawaiian, Florida, I mean, before we moved to Florida, I also spent a few months in Russia. 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:12.000 That was just so liberating. 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:17.000 I could never go back to an N5 in the office again, even if you're from massage or whatever. 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:19.000 Like, I think my freedom is to know. 00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.000 I can sell it for the in-office stuff. 00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:29.000 I think at the same time, though, there is something to be said about what Ronak brought about, like the face-to-face connection. 00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:33.000 And once he said it, I realized I'd never thought about it that way. 00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:37.000 When you're fully remote or during COVID, everybody would have felt this. 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:41.000 You start your day, let's say, with a meeting and you end your day with a meeting. 00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:45.000 Those meetings immediately start with the agenda. 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:51.000 Whereas if you're in person, you're maybe walking to a conference room together with somebody. 00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:54.000 And you're talking about life. 00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:59.000 That sort of connection is very hard to make in the remote world. 00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:00.000 Yeah, I agree. 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:05.000 I was solving so many problems in hallways when we were in the office. 00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:09.000 You just go to grab some water and you meet someone and chat with them for five minutes. 00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:11.000 And you no longer need a meeting. 00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:13.000 You just solve your problems that way. 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:16.000 It's only when you really have to get the entire team together or something. 00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.000 Then you get everybody in the room. 00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:24.000 I also remember just how many things were solved because our entire pod was sitting in the same area. 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:26.000 Yeah. And it was a small team. 00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:27.000 It was a small team, too. 00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:31.000 Yeah. So you were just like, hey everyone, or just send a message and chat. 00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:32.000 Like, can you come to my desk or something? 00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:34.000 And then you just talk to everybody. 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:35.000 It was just so good. 00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:37.000 Yeah, we didn't have to plan for happy hours. 00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:40.000 We just bring drinks to the office. 00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:43.000 And then just at the end of the work day, we just started. 00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:45.000 Yeah, it was just so easy to do. 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:49.000 And I missed that. I missed working in a very small team in the collocated space. 00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:57.000 I think towards the end of my job at Amazon, I was working with about four and a half different teams. 00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:01.000 And one of those teams I was working pretty much a lot with. 00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:07.000 The other ones were like more, I won't say formal, but like more hands-off kind of work. 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:20.000 Towards the end, I had started making some progress into this where basically figure out my calendar or molded it in a way that allows people that they know that between this and this time, he is available. 00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:26.000 And I'm just going to send a message and I used to be able to make some time on the fly like that. 00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:27.000 And that felt great. 00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:30.000 And it helps those engineers quite a lot. 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:38.000 Because before that, I think my calendar was scheduled in such a way that you would basically have to schedule something like a week or two weeks after. 00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:49.000 And if I force people to do that to schedule a meeting with me like two weeks after, they're never going to come and discuss those interesting immediate problems. 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:52.000 I started enjoying it towards the end, the way I had set it up. 00:38:52.000 --> 00:39:01.000 Yeah, one thing I really like how it's set up at Google is that it's kind of the best practice or common practice to make the calendar events 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:13.000 editable by anybody who's invited to them. So basically if you have a one-on-one with somebody and then you need to move things around for whatever reason, they can do it even a few schedule it or some group meetings. 00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:19.000 Somebody else can just reschedule it if it doesn't work or if it works better on some other day, which creates more churny in the calendar. 00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:26.000 But at the same time, it reduces the churn in communication because things just move around and it just works itself out. 00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:28.000 Yeah, I really like that aspect of it. 00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:32.000 It also moves that churn to the person who needs to move it. 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:39.000 Because otherwise that person will contact the owner of the meeting saying like, hey, I can't make this. Can you find it? 00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:43.000 And then now it's the owner who has to communicate with everybody to figure out a new slot. 00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:53.000 Right. Yes. Let's conclude this. I was watching a couple of videos on lighting today for like how you like do good lighting for your video recordings. 00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:59.000 I was clicking links for the equipment that one of these people shared and I was looking at these lights. 00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:02.000 It's like a light bulb in a box kind of thing. It's like almost a thousand bucks. 00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:08.000 And you need two of these and you also need a colorful strip behind you so it's all colorful and good. 00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:15.000 And all these cameras that cost like two and a half thousand bucks. I'm like, oh my god, it's actually pretty expensive to be a creator on YouTube. 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:22.000 If you want to produce those really high quality looking videos, maybe think about, do you first get popular, start making money. 00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:28.000 And then buy the equipment or actually these days you have to first buy all that equipment. 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:38.000 So you actually stand a chance to become popular because in the era of high quality appearances, you might just be dismissed because you don't look well on video obviously. 00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:41.000 There's probably a good middle ground there. 00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:45.000 First of all, your content or whatever you're making has to be good. 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:53.000 If it's not, you've wasted all that money and you may not know whether people like it or not before you produce it. 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:58.000 And in case so actually the cost of the things that I'm using right now, I think looks pretty decent. 00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:02.000 I think the most expensive thing that I'm using right now is a drum kit. 00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:08.000 Which I think it was about two thousand bucks. It's a very nice Yamaha stage, something drum kit that I don't play. 00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:10.000 But I just like to look at it. 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:19.000 The lights I'm using, they were 70 years ago, they were 200 bucks for four lights and this kind of the green screen thing and all that stuff. 00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:22.000 They kind of on the cheaper side. And it's pretty much it. 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:29.000 So I feel like actually you can be creative and achieve some of that with lower price equipment. 00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:34.000 And also like using the iPhone, I'm surprised actually how good the recording is. I'm really really surprised. 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:36.000 So yeah, we'll see how that comes out. 00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:46.000 And I'm not using anything other than a lamp light that I've basically there's a wall behind me, which is a brightly colored wall. 00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:52.000 And I've made the lamp focus towards the wall so that I'm getting some glow back from the wall into it. 00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:55.000 That's pretty much it. There's a lamp here. 00:41:55.000 --> 00:42:02.000 And I'm using a blue Yeti mic put on top of the, let me actually show some of the dogman books. 00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:03.000 Dogman books. 00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:04.000 Yes. 00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:14.000 That's it. Yeah, actually it wasn't even so funny if James instead of saying that he got cooked on sandman if he said he got to cook on the dogman. 00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:18.000 Yeah, I guess his kids are too grown up for the dogman at this point. 00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:21.000 Yeah. And my older kid no longer the rich dogman. 00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:24.000 Yeah, my younger one is too small for it yet. 00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:25.000 Same here. 00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:29.000 I mean, my younger one is a dog so he doesn't read dogman at all sadly. 00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:35.000 But yeah, this is why I'm using the books as a stand for the microphone. 00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.000 All right. So let's end with that. 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:41.000 And they want to you usual speech about give us a five star review. 00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:46.000 People should know it already, but if you don't then yeah, leave us a five star review. 00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:48.000 Send us feedback. 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:51.000 If you're not comfortable leaving it there, just send us an email. 00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:55.000 We are both on hello at Metacast podcast.com. 00:42:55.000 --> 00:43:00.000 And you can find all our other links in the show notes of this episode. 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:01.000 No, but you sent us an email. 00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:04.000 Yeah. In the hello at thing, right? 00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:12.000 But people have reached out both to you and me through email and signal and all that and giving us feedback. 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:13.000 These are all people that we know. 00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:17.000 Yeah. I think the time when somebody actually shares our content somewhere. 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:18.000 Would you like yes. 00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:22.000 It's like somebody who doesn't know as well who we don't know. 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:25.000 Actually enjoyed it and shared it. 00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:27.000 I also feel a bit actually tired today. 00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:30.000 I think this episode is kind of a slow zone. 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:38.000 Also, I think the fact that we decided to do video maybe made us a bit conscious and we kind of spoke slowly and all that we'll see. 00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:39.000 I'm so happy. 00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:40.000 Conscious. 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:41.000 I'll have to show it now to the camera. 00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:43.000 But this bottle, it's a contigo bottle. 00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:47.000 People who listening, it's like this bottle looks very used. 00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:49.000 It's because I've had it for maybe six years. 00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:51.000 I just love this bottle so much. 00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:54.000 It said no machine washing on the hand wash. 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:58.000 But like, I'm not going to wash my bottle like by hand every day. 00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:01.000 So I washed it in the washing machine and that's why all that paint just came off. 00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:02.000 I don't care. 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:06.000 But now that we are doing the video, they made me drink less. 00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:09.000 So that bottle always with you? 00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:12.000 Yeah. I mean, you would have seen it when we were working the time. 00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:19.000 Why I bring that up is I'm leading slowly towards a Spanish word job this time. 00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.000 Okay. The level has been raised. 00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:26.000 So contigo in Spanish means literally with you. 00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:27.000 Oh, yeah. 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:29.000 Oh, yeah. 00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:34.000 The cool thing about this bottle is I'm going to have to show it in the video, but people can just look it up. 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:40.000 So this bottle, it has a button that you press and it opens the thing here that you drink from. 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:42.000 And it also has a lock. 00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:45.000 So if you press it lock, the button will be pressed. 00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:48.000 So you can drop it into your backpack and it won't spill. 00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:52.000 But also when you want to drink, you just press the button and just sip from it. 00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:56.000 And there are no straws or anything like that that I generally don't like because you have to wash them. 00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:58.000 There's like bacteria in there. 00:44:58.000 --> 00:44:59.000 I don't like that. 00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:04.000 So this stuff is just so ergonomically, I don't know, it's better than any bottle I've ever had. 00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:09.000 I think I've had four of this in my life so far, but I lost three of them. 00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:12.000 Same kind of feeling like you that this is always with me. 00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:14.000 It's a hydroflask. 00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:18.000 It's a roller kind of thing where it locks and doesn't leak and there's no straw. 00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:20.000 It's so simple. I love it. 00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:22.000 There are no promotions, right? 00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:25.000 We are not getting paid by hydroflask or contigo. 00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:28.000 It should be nice to pay for a little bit of contigo. 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:34.000 Okay, cool, cool, cool. I guess if you watch the video, that was something. 00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:37.000 Somebody would literally say something. 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:44.000 Okay, if the engineers they might, yeah, well, do that. 00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:46.000 All right, see you next week. 00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:48.000 Thank you. Bye-bye. 00:45:48.000 --> 00:46:16.000 Bye.