WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.080 Wait, are you saying we received a review that you're going to read now? 00:00:05.080 --> 00:00:05.720 Yeah. 00:00:05.720 --> 00:00:09.220 I mean, you were surprised at the quality of these reviews. 00:00:09.220 --> 00:00:10.700 But yeah, let's go for it. 00:00:10.700 --> 00:00:19.300 Hello, and welcome to Metacost. 00:00:19.300 --> 00:00:21.960 And this is Ilya, your host. 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:27.940 And with me is Arnab from sunny Vancouver, where it is crazy hot today. 00:00:27.940 --> 00:00:32.640 Yeah, I think temperature wise, it's not that hot. 00:00:32.640 --> 00:00:37.000 It's like 22 degrees Celsius, but it feels like it's burning outside. 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:40.120 And there's already some wildfire reports in BC and also. 00:00:40.120 --> 00:00:41.940 It's a crazy start to the summer. 00:00:41.940 --> 00:00:43.560 Today is only May 2nd. 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:46.140 Yeah, I'm in Florida, right? 00:00:46.140 --> 00:00:49.180 So we are starting to get that crazy hot season. 00:00:49.180 --> 00:00:51.300 It's starting to get really, really hot. 00:00:51.300 --> 00:00:52.260 And hurricanes? 00:00:52.260 --> 00:00:54.760 Yeah, hurricanes will come later. 00:00:54.760 --> 00:00:57.440 Actually, there was a tornado watch a few weeks ago. 00:00:57.840 --> 00:01:01.080 I was driving to Miami from where I live, just north of Fort Lauderdale. 00:01:01.080 --> 00:01:04.500 And I was approaching the Fort Lauderdale airport on the highway. 00:01:04.500 --> 00:01:06.440 It was like actually blue skies. 00:01:06.440 --> 00:01:07.600 It was pretty nice. 00:01:07.600 --> 00:01:11.860 There was a sign that says Fort Lauderdale airport closed. 00:01:11.860 --> 00:01:16.060 And then a couple of miles afterwards, it started to pour so much. 00:01:16.060 --> 00:01:19.140 I was driving maybe 30, 40 miles per hour. 00:01:19.140 --> 00:01:20.800 Barely seen anything. 00:01:20.800 --> 00:01:22.680 It was just incredible. 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:26.900 I saw the news about that one, like the whole flood in the airport and all. 00:01:26.900 --> 00:01:28.560 Yeah, the airport just got flooded. 00:01:28.560 --> 00:01:30.340 I think it was closed for two days. 00:01:30.340 --> 00:01:32.300 And Fort Lauderdale is a pretty large airport. 00:01:32.300 --> 00:01:34.680 Not as big as Miami, but it has a few terminals. 00:01:35.180 --> 00:01:40.780 So yeah, but speaking about crazy hot stuff, I saw this ad on the street the other day. 00:01:40.780 --> 00:01:45.560 I was driving the highway and there is a woman in a suggestive pose. 00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:50.600 And she looks like a woman from the Playboy magazine in the 80s or something. 00:01:50.600 --> 00:01:54.140 And the text says, your wife is hot. 00:01:54.140 --> 00:01:55.520 Call Air Around the Clock. 00:01:55.520 --> 00:02:02.180 So Air Around the Clock is an air conditioning servicing company here in South Florida. 00:02:02.180 --> 00:02:03.280 They're pretty popular. 00:02:03.780 --> 00:02:05.940 I actually called them once and didn't like their service. 00:02:05.940 --> 00:02:07.440 So it's an anti-ad for them. 00:02:07.440 --> 00:02:08.700 I don't like that ad, by the way. 00:02:08.700 --> 00:02:12.080 It's so old school, chauvinistic, male focused. 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:15.260 It's like a strip club kind of thing, but like on the billboard. 00:02:15.260 --> 00:02:16.880 Tone down strip club. 00:02:16.880 --> 00:02:21.760 So they tried to push me to buy a new unit because my unit is kind of old. 00:02:21.760 --> 00:02:23.720 Wait, how did they get hold of you? 00:02:23.720 --> 00:02:26.160 No, so I had an issue with my AC. 00:02:26.160 --> 00:02:27.180 AC just shut off. 00:02:27.180 --> 00:02:28.840 Their billboard worked. 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:30.920 You remembered their name and you called them. 00:02:30.920 --> 00:02:32.000 And I'm like, my wife is hot. 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:33.160 So I need to call them. 00:02:34.440 --> 00:02:35.040 Actually, no. 00:02:35.040 --> 00:02:37.480 The previous owner of the house was using this company for servicing. 00:02:37.480 --> 00:02:40.440 And their sticker was on the unit itself, on the AC unit. 00:02:40.440 --> 00:02:42.840 So I called them and the guy came in same day. 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:43.480 It was all good. 00:02:43.480 --> 00:02:45.360 Very nice customer service over the phone. 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:48.680 And then the guy is like, oh, your AC is 12 years old or whatever. 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:50.620 And like the useful life is 10 years. 00:02:50.620 --> 00:02:52.300 So let's order you a new one. 00:02:52.300 --> 00:02:54.820 And just so you know, the new one is like 10,000 bucks or so. 00:02:54.820 --> 00:02:56.720 It's not cheap, right? 00:02:56.720 --> 00:02:57.240 Yeah. 00:02:57.240 --> 00:02:58.460 I'm like, no, thank you. 00:02:58.460 --> 00:03:00.680 I'll wait until it dies and then we'll figure it out. 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:01.880 It was a year ago, by the way. 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:04.820 But then the same week, his supervisor calls me. 00:03:04.820 --> 00:03:07.040 He's like, hey, this is Marco, whatever his name was. 00:03:07.040 --> 00:03:08.860 And let's place an order for your new unit. 00:03:08.860 --> 00:03:09.880 I'm like, no. 00:03:09.880 --> 00:03:12.680 Don't call me again. 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:15.340 And then I found another company, which is like a small. 00:03:15.340 --> 00:03:20.580 Actually, I asked somebody who lives in the same community, like, which company would you recommend for like AC servicing? 00:03:20.980 --> 00:03:23.140 And she recommended me a local company, like local owner. 00:03:23.140 --> 00:03:24.540 They just have a few people working there. 00:03:24.540 --> 00:03:26.320 And it's a perfect service. 00:03:26.320 --> 00:03:27.120 Good pricing. 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:29.500 Talking about these kind of ads. 00:03:29.500 --> 00:03:37.100 Do you remember in Seattle, there was a plumbing company and they had their ads all over the backs of buses? 00:03:37.100 --> 00:03:39.220 Stop freaking call beacon. 00:03:40.220 --> 00:03:43.940 This is like, it's imprinted in my head. 00:03:43.940 --> 00:03:45.420 Stop freaking call beacon. 00:03:45.420 --> 00:03:48.460 No, stop freaking call beacon. 00:03:48.460 --> 00:03:49.940 It's like beacon plumbing. 00:03:49.940 --> 00:03:51.760 Like, you know, Beacon Hill in Seattle. 00:03:51.760 --> 00:03:52.320 Yeah. 00:03:52.320 --> 00:03:52.820 Yeah. 00:03:52.900 --> 00:03:56.560 So beacon plumbing, but the ad is like, stop freaking call beacon. 00:03:56.560 --> 00:03:57.560 Okay. 00:03:57.560 --> 00:04:00.040 So now we'll make this episode explicit. 00:04:00.040 --> 00:04:02.480 I just have to mention this now. 00:04:02.480 --> 00:04:03.540 Yes. 00:04:03.540 --> 00:04:09.840 So there is an ad by a company in Australia that makes and repairs decks. 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:11.800 You know, in the house, you have like a patio deck. 00:04:11.800 --> 00:04:17.380 And in Australian English, they pronounce deck like a dick. 00:04:18.760 --> 00:04:28.040 And then these guys tell us all sorts of things like, you know, if your wife is not satisfied with your dick, you know, call whatever the dick company. 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:33.380 You know, it's funny the first time you watch it, then it just gets, it gets old very fast, but it's very memorable. 00:04:33.380 --> 00:04:34.240 Right. 00:04:34.240 --> 00:04:36.260 It's a similar style of ads. 00:04:36.260 --> 00:04:42.540 Well, talking about ads, I think this is a good transition into more saner topics of analytics. 00:04:42.540 --> 00:04:44.040 Yeah. 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:47.500 So what are we discussing? 00:04:47.500 --> 00:04:51.820 We, last week we had Potter, Christian and Antoine from Potter. 00:04:51.820 --> 00:04:53.820 And it was, I think, interesting. 00:04:53.820 --> 00:04:56.240 I learned quite a few new things. 00:04:56.240 --> 00:05:09.540 I was also, I mean, I knew that podcast analytics is pretty rudimentary, but I was amazed to hear how rudimentary and there's basically nothing unlike like web analytics and mobile analytics and all that. 00:05:09.820 --> 00:05:12.300 So, to be honest, I knew how bad it was. 00:05:12.300 --> 00:05:22.240 I guess I didn't realize you could extract so much from the bad data that you have, which they can by like matching it with other data sources and bringing more insights to it. 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:23.240 Which is pretty cool. 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:23.560 Yeah. 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:25.260 I really enjoyed learning more about that. 00:05:25.260 --> 00:05:25.880 Yeah. 00:05:26.280 --> 00:05:27.760 So, what were some of the highlights? 00:05:27.760 --> 00:05:29.560 How about you start? 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:30.300 Okay. 00:05:30.300 --> 00:05:33.500 Mine was, I think, I was impressed. 00:05:34.040 --> 00:05:47.200 I think they mentioned it themselves in a humble way, but still, that they're a small team and they do seem to have outsized productivity for that small of a team. 00:05:47.760 --> 00:05:55.320 And from our chat, I realized it more and more as we chatted that they said some things like, oh, we don't think about our roadmap more than a month ahead, right? 00:05:55.320 --> 00:05:59.920 Or like we talk to customers and figure out what to do and then we do it. 00:05:59.920 --> 00:06:09.260 Which is a very different way of thinking about products than what you tend to see in like bigger companies with longer roadmaps and visions and all that. 00:06:09.260 --> 00:06:17.140 But I think they do really live and breathe the mom test kind of philosophy, which Christian also talked about. 00:06:17.420 --> 00:06:21.340 Again, the low-code, no-code style of building things that they talked about. 00:06:21.340 --> 00:06:28.040 Like, basically, talk to customers, see what gaps are or what inclination of gaps you're seeing. 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:33.760 Build something quick, prototype around it and see if there's anything there or not. 00:06:33.760 --> 00:06:37.840 Yeah, I think it's a great, scrappy, lean startup mentality. 00:06:37.840 --> 00:06:38.700 Yeah. 00:06:38.700 --> 00:06:46.660 And to your point, in a big company, they would be like, this is our vision and we'll just steamroll to that vision for the next three years. 00:06:47.080 --> 00:06:49.720 That's whether it still makes sense in a year or two or not. 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:50.600 Right. 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:57.120 I think in a bigger company, you do have more established pathway or where you're trying to go to. 00:06:57.120 --> 00:07:01.400 So some of those things like visions and tenets make sense, right? 00:07:01.400 --> 00:07:03.640 You have tenets and they guide your decisions. 00:07:03.640 --> 00:07:10.540 There's also more people and there's more disagreements about decisions, critical decisions. 00:07:10.540 --> 00:07:18.420 So these tenets and visions help you figure out, are we going towards that thing that we all agree we should go towards or not. 00:07:18.420 --> 00:07:24.160 In a smaller company, especially in this early stage, I think you don't really know what you're going for. 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:26.000 So I like their approach. 00:07:26.500 --> 00:07:27.360 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:36.620 So one of my highlights from the conversation was when we discussed the different ways to promote the podcast and how to grow the audience. 00:07:36.620 --> 00:07:38.380 I think we got a couple of tips. 00:07:38.380 --> 00:07:41.400 One of those I'm actually going to use right now. 00:07:41.780 --> 00:07:49.900 So they suggested, not only they, but also Annie and Angela from the Hearts in Taiwan podcast, is to read reviews that we receive. 00:07:49.900 --> 00:07:53.400 And that would, in theory, encourage people to leave more reviews. 00:07:53.400 --> 00:07:57.040 Wait, are you saying we received a review that you're going to read now? 00:07:57.040 --> 00:07:57.700 Yeah. 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:01.140 I mean, you'll be surprised at the quality of these reviews. 00:08:01.140 --> 00:08:02.680 But yeah, let's go for it. 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:06.160 So I'll first read the review from Apple Podcasts. 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:08.980 So Apple Podcasts, but there is no name on the review. 00:08:08.980 --> 00:08:09.540 Okay. 00:08:09.540 --> 00:08:14.840 So whoever you are, it says it's a meta meta world. 00:08:14.840 --> 00:08:16.900 Wait, what country is it from? 00:08:16.900 --> 00:08:19.860 It must be the US because I'm logged into the US. 00:08:19.860 --> 00:08:20.540 Okay. 00:08:20.540 --> 00:08:24.460 Yeah, basically I just pulled up Apple Podcasts on my phone and I have a US App Store account. 00:08:24.460 --> 00:08:26.160 Yeah, it's like an App Store or iTunes. 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:28.680 So the title says, it's a meta meta world. 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:32.260 It's obviously five stars because all of our reviews so far are five stars. 00:08:32.260 --> 00:08:36.680 And it says, great concept and execution for the first few shows out of gate. 00:08:36.680 --> 00:08:38.660 Can't wait to see where you take it. 00:08:38.660 --> 00:08:39.540 Exclamation mark. 00:08:39.540 --> 00:08:43.880 So I don't know who this is, but I guess they meant first few episodes, not shows. 00:08:43.880 --> 00:08:46.100 And also they forgot the in front of the gate. 00:08:46.100 --> 00:08:47.940 So it must be non-native speaker then. 00:08:47.940 --> 00:08:49.120 So let's see. 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:49.780 Let's try to guess. 00:08:49.780 --> 00:08:55.460 Our friends, this was non-native speaker who doesn't listen to podcasts that much. 00:08:56.260 --> 00:09:02.180 Wait, I'm going to come off as a very naive podcast creator now, but where the heck do 00:09:02.180 --> 00:09:02.840 I see this? 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:05.140 Because I have no clue where to see it. 00:09:05.140 --> 00:09:07.980 You go to Apple Podcasts, you find Metacast. 00:09:07.980 --> 00:09:08.560 Yeah. 00:09:08.560 --> 00:09:12.900 So if you want to listen to our show, in case if you're listening to this, I don't know, 00:09:12.900 --> 00:09:18.120 on YouTube or somewhere, you go to whatever the podcasting app of your choice and you 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:20.320 type Metacast, the podcast about podcasting. 00:09:20.540 --> 00:09:25.320 You scroll all the way down below the episodes, you have ratings and reviews. 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:26.360 Interesting. 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:28.380 It's below the episodes. 00:09:28.380 --> 00:09:29.300 Yes. 00:09:29.300 --> 00:09:32.700 So luckily we only have 20 so far or whatever, 18. 00:09:32.700 --> 00:09:34.200 I'm seeing two. 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:38.340 Oh, so this must be the Canada app store and I'm not seeing any reviews. 00:09:38.340 --> 00:09:39.280 Yeah. 00:09:39.280 --> 00:09:40.180 So weird. 00:09:40.460 --> 00:09:41.220 Are there any ratings? 00:09:41.220 --> 00:09:42.760 Two ratings. 00:09:42.760 --> 00:09:44.020 Five stars. 00:09:44.020 --> 00:09:45.220 So it's you and your wife? 00:09:47.220 --> 00:09:51.940 Well, I don't remember rating it myself, so it's probably two other people. 00:09:51.940 --> 00:09:54.580 You should also write your review. 00:09:54.580 --> 00:09:55.500 You'll read it next time. 00:09:55.500 --> 00:09:58.100 Yeah. 00:09:58.100 --> 00:09:59.080 Okay. 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:01.300 So I'm done with our Apple Podcasts reviews. 00:10:01.300 --> 00:10:02.200 So let's go to YouTube. 00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:06.260 So on YouTube, I go to YouTube studio and I can see all of the comments that people left. 00:10:06.260 --> 00:10:08.800 And the first one says, very informative. 00:10:08.800 --> 00:10:10.160 Good start, Arnab. 00:10:10.160 --> 00:10:11.780 So I must be your friend. 00:10:11.780 --> 00:10:16.980 It's submitted by somebody named Health Watch. 00:10:17.940 --> 00:10:18.380 Okay. 00:10:18.380 --> 00:10:21.020 So I think that I know he's my friend. 00:10:21.020 --> 00:10:21.440 Yeah. 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:22.040 Yeah. 00:10:22.040 --> 00:10:22.540 Okay. 00:10:22.540 --> 00:10:25.260 So then the other person says, wait, wait, wait. 00:10:25.260 --> 00:10:30.480 Are you going to read all of our reviews in one episode and then have nothing for the next one? 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:34.680 Dude, we have three more left and they're like, like a single sentence. 00:10:34.680 --> 00:10:35.720 Okay. 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:38.440 But I just want to be done with this. 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:44.440 So the next one says, Meta Ilya and then a heart emoji submitted by Badma. 00:10:44.440 --> 00:10:46.980 Actually, I mentioned him in our last episode with Poder. 00:10:47.220 --> 00:10:49.480 It's the guy who sold his company to Yandex. 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:52.660 So yeah, he's a friend of mine and he listened and left a comment. 00:10:52.660 --> 00:10:54.360 What does Badma mean? 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:55.380 No, it's his name. 00:10:55.380 --> 00:10:56.140 Okay. 00:10:56.140 --> 00:10:57.400 Like B-A-D-M-A? 00:10:57.400 --> 00:10:58.000 Yeah. 00:10:58.000 --> 00:10:58.740 Badma. 00:10:58.740 --> 00:11:00.260 Is it a common Russian name? 00:11:00.300 --> 00:11:01.560 I've never heard this name before. 00:11:01.560 --> 00:11:02.640 It's not a Russian name. 00:11:02.640 --> 00:11:04.660 So we, in Hearts in Taiwan episode. 00:11:04.660 --> 00:11:07.740 So if you haven't listened to this, I think it's episode 8 or 10. 00:11:07.740 --> 00:11:08.560 I think it's 10. 00:11:08.560 --> 00:11:14.220 We talked about my origins in the Buryatia region of Russia. 00:11:14.220 --> 00:11:15.620 So that's where he's from. 00:11:15.700 --> 00:11:20.340 I was a Russian native living there, but he was like a native native there. 00:11:20.340 --> 00:11:25.020 I guess unlike many people living there, his parents didn't choose a Russian name for him. 00:11:25.020 --> 00:11:27.960 They chose a like ethnically native name. 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:33.900 But yeah, when he was here in the US, he visited me a couple of times and I took him to a party of Wharton students. 00:11:34.360 --> 00:11:35.320 People called him Batman. 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:37.760 Like Batman, but like Batman, you know. 00:11:37.760 --> 00:11:38.820 It was fun. 00:11:38.820 --> 00:11:39.560 Yeah. 00:11:39.560 --> 00:11:40.020 Okay. 00:11:40.020 --> 00:11:48.400 So then the next one comes from Marshall Alvaro, who also sent us a heart emoji and the word promo SM. 00:11:48.400 --> 00:11:50.920 Okay. 00:11:50.920 --> 00:11:53.700 I don't know why YouTube didn't filter this out as spam. 00:11:53.700 --> 00:11:55.600 I guess I'll downvote this. 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:58.520 Man, you started so well with a heart emoji. 00:11:58.520 --> 00:12:00.960 Then it turns out it's a spam. 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:01.940 Okay. 00:12:01.940 --> 00:12:02.640 Thank you. 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:05.980 So then the last one, actually, which is not by our friends. 00:12:05.980 --> 00:12:12.020 It's a comment on the Justin Frankel VNAMP Reaper episode from, I actually can't read this. 00:12:12.020 --> 00:12:13.180 I think it's South African or something. 00:12:13.180 --> 00:12:14.720 I think it's Ian Gerlio. 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:16.880 I can't pronounce this. 00:12:16.880 --> 00:12:17.780 Apologies, Ian. 00:12:17.780 --> 00:12:18.920 Apologies, Ian. 00:12:18.920 --> 00:12:19.240 Yeah. 00:12:19.240 --> 00:12:24.120 So remember, Justin Frankel's website is 1014.org. 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:27.500 That's where you can read his pictures of nature. 00:12:27.500 --> 00:12:29.300 You can read his pictures? 00:12:29.300 --> 00:12:30.200 Yeah. 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:32.100 On his blog, it's mostly pictures of nature. 00:12:32.500 --> 00:12:33.180 And music. 00:12:33.180 --> 00:12:35.940 So, and this guy says, 1014. 00:12:35.940 --> 00:12:39.220 I'm pretty sure this means LOLs, which makes a lot of sense. 00:12:39.220 --> 00:12:44.300 So yeah, this was actually an interesting, of all the comments we received, this one actually 00:12:44.300 --> 00:12:47.820 invites a conversation or at least it triggers a thought, which is really cool. 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:55.180 And I think that fits with Justin's personality profile, especially his young personality profile. 00:12:55.180 --> 00:12:56.720 Who would have created that website? 00:12:56.720 --> 00:12:57.480 Yeah. 00:12:57.480 --> 00:13:00.580 It's because it's before LOL was a mainstream term. 00:13:00.580 --> 00:13:01.940 So that's all. 00:13:01.940 --> 00:13:04.220 These are all the reviews we've received outside of... 00:13:04.220 --> 00:13:06.640 Next time, let's read stuff we've received personally, right? 00:13:06.640 --> 00:13:07.200 Yeah. 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:12.240 So if you want to review B2B Red in our show next time, please leave us a review. 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:14.360 But make sure you use the correct punctuation. 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:16.320 Otherwise, I'll call you out on that. 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:20.380 Run it by chat GPT first. 00:13:20.380 --> 00:13:20.780 Yes. 00:13:20.780 --> 00:13:21.980 That's what Ilya means. 00:13:21.980 --> 00:13:22.520 Yeah. 00:13:22.660 --> 00:13:22.860 Yeah. 00:13:22.860 --> 00:13:29.160 And so the Reddit post that you did for the Justin Frankel Winamp episode, that had a 00:13:29.160 --> 00:13:30.500 lot of interesting conversations. 00:13:30.500 --> 00:13:33.200 Maybe in a future episode, we can talk about that. 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:34.460 That thread was great. 00:13:34.460 --> 00:13:37.200 It's actually on my list of topics to talk about today. 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:37.780 Okay. 00:13:37.780 --> 00:13:43.560 Because I want to talk about different ways we promote our show and what works, what doesn't, 00:13:43.560 --> 00:13:47.660 at least from what we've seen so far over the course of the last four months that we've 00:13:47.660 --> 00:13:48.360 been running this. 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:48.940 Yeah. 00:13:48.940 --> 00:13:50.100 Let's just go one by one, right? 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:53.540 So we've been posting on LinkedIn, I think every single episode. 00:13:53.540 --> 00:13:55.560 And we started with just posting links. 00:13:55.560 --> 00:14:00.920 Then I tried doing things like I would add a picture, but link would be just in the text. 00:14:00.920 --> 00:14:04.300 Then I also tried posting videos three times. 00:14:04.300 --> 00:14:09.880 One of them was Ronak from the Software Misadventures podcast, talking about Kelsk Hightower. 00:14:09.880 --> 00:14:10.980 I think that's what he was talking about. 00:14:10.980 --> 00:14:15.200 And then there was Kimberly Jacobs from the Women Who Code episode. 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:17.920 And there was two of us discussing our setup. 00:14:17.920 --> 00:14:21.200 So those three videos got extremely low engagement. 00:14:21.200 --> 00:14:25.840 Very few impressions, like just a few hundred compared to just pure text posts. 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:27.060 Or like images. 00:14:27.060 --> 00:14:28.260 Or like images. 00:14:28.260 --> 00:14:28.500 Yeah. 00:14:28.500 --> 00:14:31.980 So it sounds like LinkedIn deprioritized them in feeds. 00:14:31.980 --> 00:14:35.700 Maybe people skip videos and maybe they don't watch them, even though they were all with 00:14:35.700 --> 00:14:36.080 subtitles. 00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:40.600 But whatever it was, based on our very limited sample, I just don't feel like spending more 00:14:40.600 --> 00:14:42.280 time on videos, at least for LinkedIn. 00:14:43.100 --> 00:14:47.100 Oh, so what worked really well is the episode about VNump. 00:14:47.100 --> 00:14:52.120 I actually took a couple of things that I found myself interesting about VNump itself. 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:56.640 And I posted them as like, even if they don't listen to the episode, they may still find this 00:14:56.640 --> 00:14:57.980 post interesting, insightful. 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:01.480 And that post got over 20,000 impressions. 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:05.740 And just for the record, I have just over 2,000 followers on LinkedIn. 00:15:05.740 --> 00:15:08.360 I mean, connections and followers who are not connections. 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:11.200 Which means that it went way beyond our networks. 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:12.820 Because you probably have about the same number. 00:15:12.820 --> 00:15:15.820 Wait, you're talking about Reddit post or? 00:15:15.820 --> 00:15:17.300 No, I'm talking about LinkedIn post. 00:15:17.300 --> 00:15:18.480 LinkedIn post, yeah. 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:20.240 Yeah, LinkedIn got 20,000 impressions. 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:20.940 Right. 00:15:21.080 --> 00:15:23.200 And I think it got over 200 likes. 00:15:23.200 --> 00:15:25.660 I never got more than like 20 on my LinkedIn posts. 00:15:25.660 --> 00:15:29.280 Well, I guess actually on LinkedIn, I think if you announce a new job, then those tend to 00:15:29.280 --> 00:15:30.040 get a lot of likes. 00:15:30.040 --> 00:15:31.720 Because that's what LinkedIn is for. 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:32.400 Yeah. 00:15:32.400 --> 00:15:35.120 And it's probably prioritized very highly too. 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:36.000 Yeah. 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:39.780 But also like, what I found surprising, some people at work would say like, they would mention 00:15:39.780 --> 00:15:41.620 something about my podcast, our podcast, I mean. 00:15:41.620 --> 00:15:46.240 But at the same time, I don't see them liking our posts because I would usually like check 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:47.180 who actually liked them. 00:15:47.420 --> 00:15:52.700 So I think there is a cohort of people who look at posts, but they don't like them. 00:15:52.700 --> 00:15:54.340 They don't leave any comments, but they read them. 00:15:54.340 --> 00:15:57.820 But I think when it comes to joke posting, so they want to congratulate you and then they 00:15:57.820 --> 00:15:58.900 leave a reaction. 00:15:58.900 --> 00:16:04.980 So we need to make our podcast congratulations so people congratulate us on releasing it. 00:16:04.980 --> 00:16:07.400 So going next, Instagram. 00:16:07.400 --> 00:16:08.980 I mean, I started from zero. 00:16:08.980 --> 00:16:13.740 I quickly got maybe like 150 followers from my other account, mostly Russian speaking folks. 00:16:13.740 --> 00:16:15.700 We did a few reels. 00:16:16.060 --> 00:16:19.500 Some of those reels got pretty decent number of views, like 3,000 or so. 00:16:19.500 --> 00:16:26.480 The other ones were more like in the 400 to 600 range, but no reactions really, no comments 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:27.720 except for friends. 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:32.840 And it just feels like maybe Instagram is not the right place for us or it is not yet. 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:37.000 Our content feels a bit too niche for kind of the general Instagram audience. 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:41.140 Because if you look at like reels that are popular, either somebody is talking about whatever, 00:16:41.140 --> 00:16:46.020 like how they lost fat, I mean, like knowledge-based content or some inspirational stuff. 00:16:46.020 --> 00:16:47.380 Or really funny stuff. 00:16:47.380 --> 00:16:51.420 Or really funny stuff or like really controversial stuff from like Joe Rogan or something. 00:16:51.420 --> 00:16:52.260 Or what's his name? 00:16:52.260 --> 00:16:54.180 Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro. 00:16:54.180 --> 00:16:55.720 You live on the left coast. 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:56.980 You may not know who they are. 00:16:57.240 --> 00:16:59.140 No, I know the names very well. 00:16:59.140 --> 00:17:03.480 I once actually watched like for a full hour of like Ben Shapiro's videos. 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:04.780 I'm like, oh my God. 00:17:04.780 --> 00:17:05.160 Okay. 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:06.560 I don't want to discuss them here. 00:17:06.560 --> 00:17:09.260 It's not this kind of podcast to discuss it. 00:17:09.260 --> 00:17:11.680 But in any case, so those get very popular. 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:14.700 So Instagram, I think I'll just stop doing it for now. 00:17:14.700 --> 00:17:15.860 I don't have time for that. 00:17:15.860 --> 00:17:18.760 Yeah, I feel like Twitter has both. 00:17:18.760 --> 00:17:24.680 One is the lack of engagement, but also it doesn't get any views at all. 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:31.780 Like you and I combined, I mean, it's nothing big, but we still have like 800 to 600 people 00:17:31.780 --> 00:17:33.300 or accounts following us. 00:17:33.300 --> 00:17:36.840 The impressions it gets is like double digit. 00:17:36.840 --> 00:17:37.780 It's crazy. 00:17:37.780 --> 00:17:42.780 It's like maybe because I disliked some of Elon Musk tweets or whatever. 00:17:42.780 --> 00:17:44.880 Did they report him? 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:48.160 I made fun of him a few times. 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:49.320 Maybe, I don't know. 00:17:49.320 --> 00:17:54.360 But anyway, my tweets seem to go like, sometimes I post something. 00:17:54.360 --> 00:17:59.400 I don't really care about these numbers, by the way, but Twitter, the app does show you 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:02.900 on your post very prominently, like how many impressions it got and all. 00:18:02.900 --> 00:18:04.820 Something like 25 impressions. 00:18:04.820 --> 00:18:06.960 There's just no way that is possible. 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:08.000 So, yeah. 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:12.920 So, but now this leads me to, there's also Facebook, which I think we did a couple of times. 00:18:12.920 --> 00:18:14.260 Fuck it. 00:18:15.100 --> 00:18:15.540 Yeah. 00:18:15.540 --> 00:18:16.460 Yeah. 00:18:16.460 --> 00:18:17.620 Yeah. 00:18:17.620 --> 00:18:24.580 I feel like my parents' generation is very engaged on Facebook and like my mom posts there 00:18:24.580 --> 00:18:27.500 almost daily and really deep thoughts and posts. 00:18:27.500 --> 00:18:30.080 And there is a lot of engagement. 00:18:30.080 --> 00:18:35.420 But there's just something about the UX of the platform or maybe it's just like when I go 00:18:35.420 --> 00:18:41.420 to the, my home feed, there's just random stuff that I keep saying, I don't want to see these 00:18:41.420 --> 00:18:42.320 kind of things. 00:18:42.320 --> 00:18:44.820 And like, it just keeps coming back again and again. 00:18:44.900 --> 00:18:47.940 So, I kind of have been turned off of Facebook. 00:18:47.940 --> 00:18:48.600 Yeah. 00:18:48.600 --> 00:18:53.000 There's actually a very good article that we will link from the show notes called The 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:56.300 Ancientification of TikTok, which talks not about TikTok. 00:18:56.300 --> 00:18:59.900 It talks about Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Amazon. 00:19:00.300 --> 00:19:02.400 And TikTok obviously talks about all of these platforms. 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:09.980 The thesis of the article is that platforms first bend backwards to do all they can to lure 00:19:09.980 --> 00:19:11.820 users and creators on the platform. 00:19:12.220 --> 00:19:17.480 And once everybody is sort of tied, I wouldn't say locked in, but sort of locked in, then they 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:19.020 start to extract value from it. 00:19:19.020 --> 00:19:20.780 And all of the value goes to the platforms. 00:19:20.780 --> 00:19:25.780 And then the platforms become kind of shitty and you end up in a situation like you said, 00:19:25.780 --> 00:19:26.060 right? 00:19:26.060 --> 00:19:28.980 You just get all sorts of nonsense content. 00:19:28.980 --> 00:19:35.400 I remember 2007, 2008 when I first started using Facebook, I had maybe like, I don't know, 00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:38.900 50 connections and I knew everybody personally quite well. 00:19:38.900 --> 00:19:39.440 It was great. 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:39.980 I loved it. 00:19:39.980 --> 00:19:41.320 And it wasn't just pictures and videos. 00:19:41.320 --> 00:19:42.240 It was also just text. 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:43.600 People would say some things. 00:19:43.600 --> 00:19:44.520 It was just nice. 00:19:44.520 --> 00:19:45.080 Yeah. 00:19:45.080 --> 00:19:46.320 So Facebook is like dead. 00:19:46.320 --> 00:19:47.280 We're not doing Facebook. 00:19:47.280 --> 00:19:50.460 By the way, the end shittification of TikTok. 00:19:50.460 --> 00:19:56.960 I think that's the article that Jenny introduced to us or shared with us a while back. 00:19:56.960 --> 00:19:58.720 And just a callback. 00:19:58.720 --> 00:20:00.960 Jenny was on our episode 17. 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:02.880 17 was two weeks ago. 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:05.460 That was a metasode, but with a guest. 00:20:05.460 --> 00:20:07.240 And yeah, so go check out. 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:09.180 It's prime metasode. 00:20:09.180 --> 00:20:10.820 Prime metasode. 00:20:11.320 --> 00:20:14.100 Yeah, go check it out. 00:20:14.100 --> 00:20:18.980 Actually, it was one of the more enjoyable episodes to listen because the dynamic there 00:20:18.980 --> 00:20:23.520 was just very similar to our metasodes, but Jenny added something extra to it. 00:20:23.520 --> 00:20:24.420 I really loved it. 00:20:25.100 --> 00:20:30.800 We are saying go listen to it, but we are recording this on May 2nd and that episode hasn't come 00:20:30.800 --> 00:20:31.160 out yet. 00:20:31.160 --> 00:20:32.060 It'll come out tomorrow. 00:20:32.060 --> 00:20:34.480 It will come out tomorrow and it's all fully scheduled. 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:37.740 But anybody who's listening to it, it has already come out. 00:20:37.740 --> 00:20:38.460 Go check it out. 00:20:38.460 --> 00:20:39.380 Episode 17. 00:20:39.380 --> 00:20:40.080 It was fun. 00:20:40.080 --> 00:20:40.580 Yeah. 00:20:40.580 --> 00:20:41.240 Three weeks ago. 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:49.340 Okay, but that brings me to Reddit, which we had not used until a week ago or two weeks 00:20:49.340 --> 00:20:49.580 ago. 00:20:49.580 --> 00:20:55.660 So we posted an announcement of our episode with Justin Frankel, the creator of Reaper and 00:20:55.660 --> 00:20:56.580 Winamp on Reddit. 00:20:56.580 --> 00:21:00.780 You know, we were always concerned about Reddit because what if we just get whatever kicked 00:21:00.780 --> 00:21:03.660 out of band or like downloaded for self-promotion? 00:21:03.660 --> 00:21:11.660 Reddit is, I think, the platform where self-promotion is boo-booed the most. 00:21:11.660 --> 00:21:12.520 Yeah. 00:21:12.520 --> 00:21:18.640 Unlike like some other platforms that start with an L, a platform that will be LinkedIn in. 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:19.480 Yeah. 00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:22.520 Where it's all about self-promotion. 00:21:22.520 --> 00:21:24.740 Reddit doesn't want self-promotion, right? 00:21:24.740 --> 00:21:26.920 Like it wants stories and stuff like that. 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:31.980 And so, Ilya, you and I, we discussed, should we post it or not post it? 00:21:31.980 --> 00:21:37.680 But I think in the end, you did a really good way of like bringing out some of the insights 00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:44.400 from it and then posting a full-ish article, a post in there, rather than like, hey, we 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:44.980 did an interview. 00:21:44.980 --> 00:21:45.640 Here's the link. 00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:46.280 Go check it out. 00:21:46.280 --> 00:21:47.300 You mean full-ish? 00:21:47.300 --> 00:21:48.080 Full-ish article? 00:21:48.080 --> 00:21:50.300 Full-ish. 00:21:50.300 --> 00:21:52.660 I think there's no good way to say what you want to say. 00:21:52.660 --> 00:21:56.460 Look at it, glass half full. 00:21:57.520 --> 00:21:57.660 Yeah. 00:21:57.660 --> 00:21:59.240 Yeah. 00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:01.780 But yeah, I think that was great. 00:22:01.780 --> 00:22:03.680 So yeah, talk about that post. 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:04.300 That was great. 00:22:04.300 --> 00:22:05.020 Yeah. 00:22:05.020 --> 00:22:10.160 So actually our process was, because we were so sort of uneasy, we didn't want to be like 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:10.620 booed. 00:22:10.620 --> 00:22:16.300 I typed that post in the Google Doc and then we, you know, Arnab gave some feedback, some 00:22:16.300 --> 00:22:18.400 suggestions, I think a couple of iterations later. 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:20.880 I mean, we did it pretty quickly within an hour or so. 00:22:21.360 --> 00:22:25.280 So we had a pretty decent post, which we, I posted on the Reaper subreddit. 00:22:25.280 --> 00:22:31.980 And 14 days later, so it was 14 days ago, we got 153 upvotes, 100% upvote rate, which 00:22:31.980 --> 00:22:33.220 means nobody downvoted this. 00:22:33.220 --> 00:22:35.640 It has 100,000 views. 00:22:35.640 --> 00:22:35.980 Wow. 00:22:36.040 --> 00:22:41.160 It's like, I've never had a post anywhere that I created that had like 100,000 views 00:22:41.160 --> 00:22:44.480 and I earned, because like, I never posted anything on Reaper before. 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:48.100 My account is like 12 years old or something, but I never posted anything before. 00:22:48.100 --> 00:22:50.840 And I got 77 community karma out of this. 00:22:51.020 --> 00:22:54.140 I don't know what this means, but I guess supposedly the more, the more, the better. 00:22:54.140 --> 00:22:54.980 Yeah. 00:22:54.980 --> 00:22:56.300 And there are comments. 00:22:56.300 --> 00:22:59.660 I don't know how many, I guess visual count is maybe like 30. 00:22:59.660 --> 00:23:00.100 Yeah. 00:23:00.100 --> 00:23:02.480 And actually it is a very civil discussion. 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:04.640 Some people say like, oh, this is awesome. 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:05.660 I'll go listen. 00:23:05.660 --> 00:23:13.060 But the most important discussion is somebody made the point that Reaper is created by just 00:23:13.060 --> 00:23:13.800 two guys. 00:23:13.800 --> 00:23:18.500 And if something happens to them or if they like don't want to do it anymore, what's going 00:23:18.500 --> 00:23:19.940 to happen, what's going to happen, right? 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:21.160 There is no succession plan. 00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:21.660 Yeah. 00:23:21.660 --> 00:23:25.560 And then there is like a whole discussion on that, which even Justin participated in. 00:23:25.560 --> 00:23:27.200 So I loved it. 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:28.500 And then you also posted on me now. 00:23:28.500 --> 00:23:34.900 I posted it on our music, which has like 32 million members or something like that. 00:23:34.900 --> 00:23:37.680 And I think this wasn't too bad either. 00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:45.140 So nothing like, I think the one that you got, this got 14,000 views, 80% upvote rate. 00:23:45.140 --> 00:23:45.860 So not bad. 00:23:45.860 --> 00:23:47.440 And 26 comments. 00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:48.320 Oh, cool. 00:23:48.320 --> 00:23:48.840 Yeah. 00:23:49.080 --> 00:23:54.940 I mean, I think of all the social networks, these two were the most engagement and like 00:23:54.940 --> 00:23:56.360 actual discussion, right? 00:23:56.360 --> 00:23:58.580 Like good discussion that I've found anywhere. 00:23:58.580 --> 00:23:59.160 Yeah. 00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:04.440 So was it on Reddit where somebody pointed out that you were using language incorrectly? 00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:05.340 Oh, yeah. 00:24:05.340 --> 00:24:09.180 So what I started with was, remember Winamp? 00:24:09.180 --> 00:24:12.540 It was pretty much the soundtrack to my teenage years, right? 00:24:12.540 --> 00:24:17.100 And so I think that was the first comment. 00:24:17.100 --> 00:24:19.920 But since then, it is not the top comment anymore. 00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:21.140 It's like way lower. 00:24:21.140 --> 00:24:22.660 It got lots of downvotes, I think. 00:24:22.660 --> 00:24:24.420 It was, well, what does it mean? 00:24:24.420 --> 00:24:26.500 Pretty much the soundtrack to your teenage years. 00:24:26.580 --> 00:24:30.100 So I said, well, like you basically lived and breathed Winamp. 00:24:30.100 --> 00:24:31.340 So that's what I mean. 00:24:31.340 --> 00:24:34.480 And I think that person was like, well, that doesn't make any sense. 00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:38.200 It's weird to say that Windows Media Player was the soundtrack to my... 00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:38.660 Anyway. 00:24:38.660 --> 00:24:41.340 He said like software cannot be soundtrack. 00:24:41.340 --> 00:24:42.080 Yeah. 00:24:42.320 --> 00:24:44.860 Soundtrack can only be music that's played through software. 00:24:44.860 --> 00:24:47.160 Well, we don't know he, he, she, they. 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:47.860 Yeah, he or she. 00:24:47.860 --> 00:24:48.820 Yeah, whatever. 00:24:48.820 --> 00:24:52.480 As I was reading this comment, I'm like, what an asshole you are. 00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:54.300 I'm like, why would you do this? 00:24:54.300 --> 00:24:56.740 If you don't like something, just keep going, do something else. 00:24:56.740 --> 00:24:58.540 It's like, why write this? 00:24:58.540 --> 00:24:59.760 It's toxic, in my opinion. 00:24:59.760 --> 00:25:01.440 It's not toxic. 00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:02.200 I mean... 00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:06.280 I mean, if he said something like, or she said something like, your language is technically 00:25:06.280 --> 00:25:06.720 incorrect. 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:07.940 You should have said it differently. 00:25:07.940 --> 00:25:10.540 I would say it's still useless, but it is constructive. 00:25:11.100 --> 00:25:15.240 But that language that this person used, it's just like, as if, whatever. 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:19.760 I mean, I've been on social media long, long enough publicly to not take offense at crappy 00:25:19.760 --> 00:25:20.140 comments. 00:25:20.140 --> 00:25:22.020 Yeah. 00:25:22.020 --> 00:25:23.700 But yeah, Reddit, Reddit for the win. 00:25:23.700 --> 00:25:26.680 So we need to figure out how to do more of this. 00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:30.280 Because Justin Frankl, I think we lucked out in a way because he's created software that's 00:25:30.280 --> 00:25:31.500 a really big deal in the industry. 00:25:31.500 --> 00:25:33.220 And also Winamp is like a big deal. 00:25:33.220 --> 00:25:35.340 But he himself is not very public. 00:25:35.340 --> 00:25:39.580 So if he had his own like account, would constantly give interviews, our posts wouldn't matter. 00:25:39.840 --> 00:25:44.440 But because he only gives interviews every now and then, every one interview is like treasured. 00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:47.700 Especially about Reaper, because I think people remember him from Winamp, but like Reaper 00:25:47.700 --> 00:25:49.020 is more niche. 00:25:49.020 --> 00:25:50.880 But very passionate community. 00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:52.180 Very passionate community. 00:25:52.180 --> 00:25:52.500 Yes. 00:25:52.500 --> 00:25:52.760 Yeah. 00:25:52.760 --> 00:25:53.100 Yeah. 00:25:53.100 --> 00:25:58.140 Like there was no single negative comment in that thread, which I found really surprising. 00:25:59.140 --> 00:26:04.360 So out of that thread, we got 250 plays on podcasting apps. 00:26:04.360 --> 00:26:07.780 I mean, not all of them came from Reddit, but on average, we get less than 100. 00:26:07.780 --> 00:26:09.800 So for this one, we got 150 more. 00:26:09.800 --> 00:26:13.700 We get like 90 to 100 or so on average. 00:26:13.700 --> 00:26:15.860 I would say the median is probably around 70. 00:26:15.860 --> 00:26:16.340 Okay. 00:26:16.700 --> 00:26:19.180 So yeah, it's probably like 180 more. 00:26:19.180 --> 00:26:24.620 And also on YouTube, which we usually get like single digit views, we got 317. 00:26:24.620 --> 00:26:28.860 And we got seven subscribers after watching this video, which is cool. 00:26:28.860 --> 00:26:31.080 Oh, so I want to talk about YouTube as well. 00:26:31.080 --> 00:26:33.540 So YouTube, it's a pain in the ass to produce. 00:26:33.540 --> 00:26:36.580 Not too much work, but like it's just like extra work. 00:26:36.840 --> 00:26:39.500 What I'm doing is I'm creating an audiogram in Descript. 00:26:39.500 --> 00:26:45.960 It just takes time to like put an audiogram in, export, upload to YouTube, format text for YouTube. 00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:48.520 You know, it's like, it takes a good hour or so. 00:26:48.520 --> 00:26:54.480 But the cool thing about YouTube is that it can be shared independently from which platform the person is using. 00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:55.840 It can be watched on the web. 00:26:55.840 --> 00:26:58.560 It can be watched on any kind of phone, Android, iPhone. 00:26:58.560 --> 00:27:00.200 So I keep doing YouTube. 00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:05.920 Because actually when Jonathan Courtney did the reaction to our episode with him, episode four, 00:27:06.220 --> 00:27:08.520 we got 334 views, which is not bad. 00:27:08.520 --> 00:27:11.040 That's because he shared the YouTube link. 00:27:11.040 --> 00:27:12.020 Yes, correct. 00:27:12.020 --> 00:27:17.440 But yeah, I think the Winamp episode was our second most listened to episode. 00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:22.660 The highest one still is our second episode with Brian McKellar, 00:27:22.660 --> 00:27:25.800 because he talked about that episode in his podcast, 00:27:25.800 --> 00:27:31.280 which if I remember, it gets what, like 50,000, 60,000 views per episode. 00:27:31.280 --> 00:27:33.020 I think 30,000 to 40,000. 00:27:33.020 --> 00:27:34.060 Per episode. 00:27:34.060 --> 00:27:34.880 Listens, yeah. 00:27:35.120 --> 00:27:39.720 And we got 450 downloads from that, which is pretty sizable. 00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:43.040 So yeah, I guess that brings me to the next topic about promotion. 00:27:43.040 --> 00:27:46.620 We did not really have much success with people sharing. 00:27:46.620 --> 00:27:50.720 Or I guess we did not have consistent success with people sharing our interviews with them. 00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:55.500 So Brian, Jonathan, Courtney, they shared our content and it got pretty good engagement. 00:27:55.500 --> 00:27:59.580 Other folks, when they shared our content, we didn't get much, 00:27:59.820 --> 00:28:02.840 I guess because they don't have the same following as the other two. 00:28:02.840 --> 00:28:08.520 And by the way, even Women Who Code retweeted our tweet and we got like three likes on that or something. 00:28:08.520 --> 00:28:16.120 Maybe just Twitter put it down or like our content is not interesting or maybe their followers are not as engaged because they have 300,000 followers. 00:28:16.340 --> 00:28:24.100 Anyway, what I also think, you know, it's cool to have folks like Brian McCullough or Jonathan Courtney who just tweeted to their audience. 00:28:24.100 --> 00:28:26.600 And then we got a lot of views from that, a lot of listens. 00:28:27.140 --> 00:28:36.380 It's also cool to have people who are famous like Justin Frankel, but are not sort of popular in social media, as in like they're not on social media even. 00:28:36.380 --> 00:28:40.500 So people seek them out and they find our content instead of their content. 00:28:40.500 --> 00:28:44.520 I think that Reddit thread is good for search engines. 00:28:44.520 --> 00:28:48.320 I will not be surprised if you talk again next year, it will be like 500,000 views. 00:28:48.320 --> 00:28:49.000 Yeah. 00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:49.820 Cool, cool. 00:28:49.820 --> 00:28:53.500 That was a long segment about promotion, but I think it's an important one. 00:28:53.500 --> 00:28:54.260 It's good. 00:28:54.580 --> 00:29:02.400 And I keep talking, like, I don't know if I can say this, but like we have like an internal plugin at Google that shows you the percentage of time you talk in the Google Meet meeting. 00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:03.040 Okay. 00:29:03.040 --> 00:29:07.200 So I think the Game Squadcast had this plugin. 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:12.700 It would probably show that I was talking like 80% of time today. 00:29:12.700 --> 00:29:13.240 That's okay. 00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:14.880 I think this was a good topic, yeah. 00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:16.620 But I'm not done yet. 00:29:16.620 --> 00:29:18.240 Okay. 00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:19.840 What's the next one? 00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:25.020 So next one, it comes as a sort of tangent from the last episode. 00:29:25.020 --> 00:29:29.100 You know how I've been saying, do not use AirPods for podcasts. 00:29:29.100 --> 00:29:34.500 And then last week I showed up on the recording wearing AirPods and right now I'm also wearing my AirPods. 00:29:34.500 --> 00:29:35.780 So here's the trick. 00:29:35.780 --> 00:29:40.740 I use the AirPods as speakers, but I record using the microphone. 00:29:41.100 --> 00:29:45.660 And the reason why I like using AirPods is because they are small. 00:29:45.660 --> 00:29:49.880 Like my face pretty much looks like I don't wear anything at a certain angle, right? 00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:53.060 Unlike me who looks like a bear right now, I guess. 00:29:53.060 --> 00:29:53.680 Like a bear. 00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:56.780 With my big headphones around me. 00:29:56.780 --> 00:29:57.100 Yeah. 00:29:57.100 --> 00:29:58.980 We had Blue Angels here last weekend. 00:29:58.980 --> 00:30:00.460 So you look like a fighter pilot. 00:30:00.460 --> 00:30:01.400 Oh, cool. 00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:02.280 Thank you. 00:30:03.360 --> 00:30:04.340 Really, really, really cool. 00:30:04.340 --> 00:30:04.780 Yeah. 00:30:04.780 --> 00:30:10.280 So I think it's okay to wear Bluetooth headphones as long as you use a separate mic for recording. 00:30:10.280 --> 00:30:15.760 And AirPods probably have the lowest latency of any headphones if you use them with a Mac. 00:30:15.760 --> 00:30:16.380 Right. 00:30:16.380 --> 00:30:17.480 With a Mac, yeah. 00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:18.140 Yeah. 00:30:18.140 --> 00:30:19.460 So AirPods are really cool. 00:30:19.460 --> 00:30:27.980 But I think to reiterate, don't use AirPods to record because we had two guests so far who had AirPods or just one? 00:30:27.980 --> 00:30:30.140 I think we had Kimberly and John and Courtney. 00:30:30.580 --> 00:30:35.520 And Kimberly's audio was not that bad, but Jonathan's was really bad. 00:30:35.520 --> 00:30:38.940 Maybe she had like a Pro or something and he didn't. 00:30:38.940 --> 00:30:40.340 Jonathan's was much worse. 00:30:40.340 --> 00:30:41.100 I don't know why. 00:30:41.100 --> 00:30:47.220 Plus, it's just like your voice is not focused on the microphones when you're wearing AirPods. 00:30:47.220 --> 00:30:48.220 Yeah. 00:30:48.220 --> 00:30:54.580 So the other thing is, I think it was during the Women Who Code recording that I noticed that I think they were muting themselves. 00:30:54.580 --> 00:31:00.080 And I think when you do like a Zoom meeting or Google Meet meeting in a corporate environment or any kind of environment, 00:31:00.220 --> 00:31:02.160 I guess muting yourself is a good... 00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:02.640 Etiquette. 00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:03.800 A good etiquette, right? 00:31:03.800 --> 00:31:08.520 But during the recording, you actually want to capture the reactions like laughs and stuff. 00:31:08.520 --> 00:31:09.120 Right. 00:31:09.120 --> 00:31:14.000 So, yeah, I feel like it's actually good to not mute during the recording. 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:16.520 Yeah, unless you have excessive noise, which can be distracting. 00:31:16.520 --> 00:31:20.080 But if you like record in a normal environment, yeah, I would say just don't mute. 00:31:20.080 --> 00:31:30.200 Yeah, I very rarely mute myself on these recordings unless like my dog comes running or my kid is shouting or something. 00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:37.740 But on typical Zoom meetings, and I haven't had a multi-person Zoom meeting in a really, really long time now. 00:31:38.860 --> 00:31:45.260 But when I did, I would be pretty much on mute, except when I'm almost like push to talk kind of mechanism. 00:31:45.260 --> 00:31:46.880 So that's a good tip. 00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:53.660 Yeah, the feedback that you get, the laughs, the emotions, I think those are important for a podcast. 00:31:53.660 --> 00:31:53.940 Yeah. 00:31:54.080 --> 00:31:59.400 Because I feel like when there is laughing in the podcast, as a listener, sometimes I laugh along. 00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:03.920 Maybe not with the same intensity as them, but it at least makes me smile. 00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:08.920 Especially if the personalities really resonate with me and if they say something not even necessarily funny. 00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:15.840 Actually, I just finished this book called The Power of Moments that Jake Knapp and John Courtney recommended on the fourth episode of our podcast. 00:32:15.840 --> 00:32:16.560 It's a good book. 00:32:16.560 --> 00:32:22.660 Like the TLDR there is that people remember peak moments in the experience, like the peak moments, like the worst moments. 00:32:22.660 --> 00:32:30.080 So like averaging the, let's say, satisfaction of the Disneyland visit throughout the day is not an accurate depiction of the actual satisfaction. 00:32:30.080 --> 00:32:36.720 Because people will remember their whatever crazy roller coaster ride, and that will be the highlight of their day, and they will give the whole experience at nine. 00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:44.780 Even though, I think as John Courtney pointed out, they would be like stepping over somebody's vomit in the toilet sometime in the middle of the day, right? 00:32:44.780 --> 00:32:49.360 Waiting for a bad cold burger for like 45 minutes, yeah. 00:32:49.360 --> 00:32:51.040 Yeah, and stuff like that, right? 00:32:51.040 --> 00:32:51.940 Or crying kids. 00:32:52.660 --> 00:32:56.600 So that insanely great moment really makes the whole day, right? 00:32:56.600 --> 00:33:02.440 So the thing that they mentioned in the book, which I found insightful, there was a study. 00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:08.920 The researchers went on the university campus or college campus and eavesdropped on students' conversations. 00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:13.920 Noted when they laughed, and they noted down what they said before the laughter. 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:14.640 Right. 00:33:15.140 --> 00:33:17.760 It's kind of a creepy research study, I guess. 00:33:17.760 --> 00:33:26.060 But what they found out is that only in 20% of the cases, something funny was said, and laugh was a response to something funny. 00:33:26.060 --> 00:33:32.220 The other 80%, it was just like a regular conversation, nothing particularly funny in that. 00:33:32.220 --> 00:33:36.320 People just laugh when they acknowledge when people say something or whatever, right? 00:33:36.520 --> 00:33:41.620 I forgot what exactly the conclusion there was, but the point is like we not only laugh when it's funny. 00:33:41.620 --> 00:33:44.980 We laugh a lot just as a part of regular conversation, right? 00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:51.780 And when you hear those laughs, I think you sort of become more part of the conversation as opposed to a passive observer. 00:33:51.780 --> 00:33:53.680 Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. 00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:54.760 Oh, that was a fake laugh. 00:33:55.820 --> 00:33:57.320 You should have muted, man. 00:33:57.320 --> 00:34:00.220 Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. 00:34:00.220 --> 00:34:04.960 But see, that fake laugh made us laugh. 00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:05.500 So. 00:34:05.500 --> 00:34:07.580 Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. 00:34:07.580 --> 00:34:08.500 Yeah, that's true. 00:34:08.500 --> 00:34:09.460 Okay. 00:34:09.460 --> 00:34:09.960 Cool. 00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:18.900 So I want to ask listeners, whoever is listening, if you can remember, tell us which episode made you laugh the most so far. 00:34:18.900 --> 00:34:22.600 And I'll ask you, Ilja, before I tell you which one so far. 00:34:22.600 --> 00:34:24.020 It made me laugh the most? 00:34:24.020 --> 00:34:24.560 Yeah. 00:34:24.560 --> 00:34:26.280 I think it's the episode with Jenny. 00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:27.240 Yeah. 00:34:27.240 --> 00:34:27.980 Yeah. 00:34:27.980 --> 00:34:34.160 I think so far the ones that have been released, I would say the Jake and Jonathan one. 00:34:34.160 --> 00:34:43.160 But I also have a hunch that the one with Jenny coming out tomorrow, or if you're listening to the actual episode, the one that came out three weeks ago. 00:34:43.160 --> 00:34:46.280 Yeah, that one. 00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:50.520 But I haven't heard the post-processed one, unlike you have. 00:34:50.520 --> 00:34:51.460 So that's why. 00:34:51.460 --> 00:34:52.020 Yeah. 00:34:52.020 --> 00:35:01.200 I listened to the post-processed one, and I laughed a lot, especially the parts where she was giving us feedback, like those micro-influencers begging for feedback. 00:35:01.200 --> 00:35:01.920 Yeah. 00:35:02.620 --> 00:35:04.400 Oh, that was just so good. 00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:04.980 Yeah. 00:35:04.980 --> 00:35:05.480 Cool. 00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:06.680 Looking forward to it. 00:35:06.680 --> 00:35:08.560 Or I guess looking backward to it now. 00:35:08.560 --> 00:35:09.320 Yeah. 00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:11.740 So let's take an arc to something else. 00:35:11.740 --> 00:35:13.640 What's new in technology these days, man? 00:35:13.640 --> 00:35:15.400 What's new in technology? 00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:19.440 Well, except for like chat GPT and bird and everything else? 00:35:19.560 --> 00:35:20.400 You just got it. 00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:21.600 I said, let's take an arc. 00:35:21.600 --> 00:35:24.280 Oh, okay, okay. 00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:28.360 All right, all right, all right. 00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:28.620 Yeah. 00:35:28.620 --> 00:35:29.880 Tell me about arc. 00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:30.800 Noah's arc. 00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:31.880 Noah's arc. 00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:34.260 So there are two animals of each kind on it. 00:35:34.260 --> 00:35:34.560 Yeah. 00:35:34.560 --> 00:35:35.560 It's going to save the world. 00:35:35.560 --> 00:35:42.540 Now, we've been playing with this new web browser called arc by the browser company, which is a really cool browser. 00:35:42.740 --> 00:35:44.700 I'm still trying to get used to some of the shortcuts. 00:35:44.700 --> 00:35:46.800 Who introduced it to you, Ilya? 00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:51.540 I think this guy whose name is like Dorna, but without the K or something. 00:35:51.540 --> 00:35:53.120 Without the Dora. 00:35:53.120 --> 00:35:55.000 Yeah, without the D, yeah. 00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:55.800 Yeah. 00:35:55.800 --> 00:35:58.800 Who got you a beta invite? 00:35:58.800 --> 00:35:59.980 Same guy, I think. 00:35:59.980 --> 00:36:00.880 Okay. 00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:01.740 Cool, cool. 00:36:01.740 --> 00:36:02.920 So, yeah, tell us more. 00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:04.320 Like, how did you discover arc? 00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:09.260 I think I saw it somewhere on Reddit. 00:36:09.780 --> 00:36:12.960 I want to say Reddit, but might have been Twitter or Reddit. 00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:17.620 But I've been hearing about arc for a while now that everybody loves it and all that. 00:36:17.620 --> 00:36:22.160 And one day I was chatting with somebody and they said, oh, I use arc and I love it. 00:36:22.160 --> 00:36:27.480 And that was the first time a person that I knew was using arc and endorsed it. 00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:28.840 I was like, I gotta go get it. 00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:35.880 I signed up for the beta and waited, I want to say a couple of weeks and then got an invite, got it. 00:36:36.240 --> 00:36:42.140 So, till now, I had a pretty sophisticated browser setup. 00:36:42.140 --> 00:36:43.460 And you used what? 00:36:43.460 --> 00:36:44.900 You used Microsoft Edge, right? 00:36:44.900 --> 00:36:48.080 No, I'll tell you, you'll be surprised. 00:36:48.080 --> 00:36:49.700 Maybe even you will be surprised. 00:36:49.700 --> 00:36:54.640 I use, and I'm not kidding, I use Firefox, Chrome, Safari, and Edge. 00:36:54.640 --> 00:36:56.000 Oh, you actually use Edge? 00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:56.860 Yes. 00:36:56.860 --> 00:36:58.160 Do you have Windows machine? 00:36:58.240 --> 00:37:04.220 No, Edge, I used to use for ChatGPT, for the Bing chat mode on a Mac. 00:37:04.220 --> 00:37:09.780 So, Microsoft released the ChatGPT chat mode on Bing only on the Edge browser. 00:37:09.780 --> 00:37:11.960 You can't interact with it anywhere else. 00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:13.420 So, I used it for that. 00:37:13.420 --> 00:37:15.060 But there is a version of Edge for Mac? 00:37:15.060 --> 00:37:15.680 Yes. 00:37:15.680 --> 00:37:18.940 They released it because of the ChatGPT integration. 00:37:18.940 --> 00:37:20.080 Oh, that's smart. 00:37:20.080 --> 00:37:20.300 Okay. 00:37:20.300 --> 00:37:20.780 Yeah. 00:37:21.140 --> 00:37:27.900 But primarily, I would use Firefox for everything, like DevWork and all our Google Docs and stuff 00:37:27.900 --> 00:37:28.360 like that. 00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:33.980 But there are some things, especially video meetings and all, that work really well in Chrome. 00:37:33.980 --> 00:37:35.680 So, I would use Chrome for that. 00:37:35.680 --> 00:37:41.320 But I generally try not to use Chrome for anything else because of all the data that is being sucked 00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:44.640 in by this massive company that employs you. 00:37:44.640 --> 00:37:54.040 And then I would use Safari for my personal stuff, like my bank and email and stuff like that. 00:37:54.040 --> 00:37:56.780 And guess which one is my default browser? 00:37:56.780 --> 00:37:57.600 Safari? 00:37:57.600 --> 00:37:58.400 Aha. 00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:01.320 My default browser is called Finicky. 00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:02.120 Okay? 00:38:02.120 --> 00:38:03.040 Okay. 00:38:03.040 --> 00:38:06.780 But it's not an actual headed browser. 00:38:06.780 --> 00:38:07.960 That was a trick question, by the way. 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:08.400 Gotcha. 00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:08.900 Okay. 00:38:08.900 --> 00:38:10.320 Go on. 00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:10.960 Finicky. 00:38:11.180 --> 00:38:17.080 Finicky is a script or a program that you can write patterns, regular expressions. 00:38:17.080 --> 00:38:19.960 But for non-technical people, you can write patterns, right? 00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:28.260 If the link that is being opened is like HTTPS slash colon colon squadcast.fm, then open it 00:38:28.260 --> 00:38:29.000 in that browser. 00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:32.480 Or if it is my bank, then open it in that browser. 00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:36.560 If it is Firebase, which I'm using for development, then open it in Firefox. 00:38:36.560 --> 00:38:38.560 So, you can like script it like that. 00:38:38.560 --> 00:38:44.020 And because I was using four different browsers, Finicky was the thing I was using to like navigate. 00:38:44.020 --> 00:38:45.020 It was my router. 00:38:45.020 --> 00:38:45.720 Right. 00:38:45.720 --> 00:38:47.720 And did you, what was the entry point? 00:38:47.720 --> 00:38:48.200 Was it Alfred? 00:38:48.200 --> 00:38:49.000 No. 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:52.980 So, Finicky, I had set up as the default browser at the OS level. 00:38:52.980 --> 00:38:57.000 So, Finicky would get every link that is being opened anywhere. 00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:00.140 And then I would set up override rules. 00:39:00.140 --> 00:39:03.560 Like if it is squadcast or Google meeting, then go to Chrome. 00:39:03.560 --> 00:39:05.660 If it is this, then go to Safari. 00:39:05.660 --> 00:39:07.680 Otherwise, fallback is Firefox. 00:39:07.680 --> 00:39:08.900 Interesting. 00:39:08.900 --> 00:39:09.460 Okay. 00:39:09.460 --> 00:39:11.780 So, now Arc is your default browser? 00:39:12.220 --> 00:39:14.180 Well, it's still not my default default. 00:39:14.180 --> 00:39:17.340 I still have Finicky, but I removed all the rules from Finicky. 00:39:17.340 --> 00:39:19.320 So, it all straight goes into Arc now. 00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:22.660 And so, I think Chrome has these profiles. 00:39:22.660 --> 00:39:25.020 Firefox has some sort of profiles. 00:39:25.020 --> 00:39:26.520 Safari has profiles. 00:39:26.520 --> 00:39:31.100 But none of that is as well executed as Arc, I think. 00:39:31.100 --> 00:39:32.660 But none of them don't suck. 00:39:32.980 --> 00:39:33.880 Yeah, exactly. 00:39:33.880 --> 00:39:34.620 Yeah. 00:39:34.620 --> 00:39:34.980 Yeah. 00:39:34.980 --> 00:39:38.360 I mean, to make Firefox work, and I love Firefox. 00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:40.040 I've been a long-time Firefox user. 00:39:40.040 --> 00:39:44.460 I need the tab bar add-on and how many other add-ons, I don't know. 00:39:44.460 --> 00:39:46.420 But this is awesome. 00:39:46.420 --> 00:39:50.280 The part that I love the most is the... 00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:51.160 So, I'm a programmer. 00:39:51.160 --> 00:39:53.320 I'm a scripter, not a clicker. 00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:56.320 People won't get this inside joke. 00:39:56.320 --> 00:40:02.480 This probably goes back like 10 years at this point to a conversation we were having back in Amazon like 10 years back. 00:40:02.940 --> 00:40:03.320 Right, yeah. 00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:03.840 Yeah. 00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:10.340 I love the command T, which is like an Alfred or a Silver Search, that sort of powerful thing, 00:40:10.340 --> 00:40:14.040 where you type that and you can do any action you want from inside there. 00:40:14.040 --> 00:40:15.240 Kind of like an IDE. 00:40:15.240 --> 00:40:16.200 Yeah. 00:40:16.200 --> 00:40:20.340 You can press command T and you can type whatever you want and it offers you suggestions. 00:40:20.340 --> 00:40:21.320 You can do search. 00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:22.800 You can go to a tab. 00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:24.640 You can run a command from there. 00:40:24.640 --> 00:40:25.920 It's very cool. 00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:27.100 I'm still getting used to that. 00:40:27.100 --> 00:40:32.900 The thing I'm annoyed about the most is that one of my most used keyboard shortcuts from Chrome doesn't 00:40:32.900 --> 00:40:35.080 work and that's command shift A. 00:40:35.080 --> 00:40:36.100 What is that? 00:40:36.100 --> 00:40:39.540 It's a shortcut to switch between actively open tabs. 00:40:39.540 --> 00:40:40.140 Okay. 00:40:40.140 --> 00:40:42.220 Do you know about control tab? 00:40:42.220 --> 00:40:42.960 Try it out. 00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:45.000 You will be amazed, my friend. 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:46.420 Control tab. 00:40:46.420 --> 00:40:47.180 Yeah. 00:40:47.740 --> 00:40:53.460 No, so shift command A in Chrome just gives you a drop down of all of the open tabs and you type there. 00:40:53.460 --> 00:40:54.400 It gives you a text box. 00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:56.100 Oh, so command T does that? 00:40:56.100 --> 00:40:57.060 It's command T. 00:40:57.060 --> 00:40:57.460 Yeah. 00:40:57.460 --> 00:41:01.880 But just like that shortcut is wired into my muscles. 00:41:02.700 --> 00:41:05.480 Yeah, I'm like unlearning this and it's sort of hard. 00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:05.980 But yeah. 00:41:05.980 --> 00:41:08.760 The other thing that I find, I think we need to fix this. 00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:14.180 So I had this setting in Chrome that when I click on the file, when I download the file, it asks me for the location. 00:41:14.180 --> 00:41:17.340 So it's almost like always does like a save as kind of thing. 00:41:17.720 --> 00:41:20.260 Because like I don't necessarily want to save everything into downloads. 00:41:20.260 --> 00:41:27.120 Let's say if I download all of the files from Squadcast, I just want to save all of them directly to the folder where I'll be processing them from. 00:41:27.120 --> 00:41:28.900 It doesn't have that. 00:41:28.900 --> 00:41:32.360 So I have to like first save to downloads and copy paste. 00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:34.300 Yeah, it's a bit of extra annoyance. 00:41:34.300 --> 00:41:36.560 But I actually send to them that feedback. 00:41:36.560 --> 00:41:40.020 So we have a few beta invites still left. 00:41:40.020 --> 00:41:45.600 So if you leave us a review and send us a screenshot because otherwise we will not know who you are. 00:41:45.940 --> 00:41:48.420 Hello at metacastpodcast.com. 00:41:48.420 --> 00:41:52.160 We can send you a beta invite to ARK while supplies last. 00:41:52.160 --> 00:41:54.060 So be quick, do it right now. 00:41:54.060 --> 00:41:54.800 Right. 00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:56.820 Or I'll just whisper to people, okay? 00:41:56.820 --> 00:42:04.200 Or if you don't want to send an email, but you have a blue sky invite, you can email that to me directly, to Arnab. 00:42:04.200 --> 00:42:08.280 And I'll send you an ARK invite in exchange for a blue sky invite. 00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:09.860 What's your email? 00:42:09.860 --> 00:42:13.400 Arnab.deca at gmail.com. 00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:15.020 Don't tell Ilya. 00:42:15.020 --> 00:42:15.840 Oh my God. 00:42:15.940 --> 00:42:18.420 So you're not going to get a lot of spam to that email? 00:42:18.420 --> 00:42:21.980 Well, I already get a lot of spam. 00:42:21.980 --> 00:42:22.620 Yeah. 00:42:22.620 --> 00:42:26.320 I guess pretty much everybody's Gmail is their first name, last name. 00:42:26.320 --> 00:42:30.120 Except for a few people who have some random numbers. 00:42:30.120 --> 00:42:31.580 Somebody I know. 00:42:31.580 --> 00:42:35.220 I asked him what 14 in his email means. 00:42:35.220 --> 00:42:36.620 It's like his name and then 14. 00:42:36.620 --> 00:42:38.920 Age when he started it? 00:42:39.300 --> 00:42:40.740 I think it was lacrosse or something. 00:42:40.740 --> 00:42:43.480 Some American sport that I don't know actually what lacrosse is. 00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:46.040 But I know that kids play lacrosse in school. 00:42:46.040 --> 00:42:48.420 So it was his number on his team. 00:42:48.420 --> 00:42:53.660 I think most people would just put either their year of birth or the year they registered the email address. 00:42:54.080 --> 00:42:57.200 Like, yeah, my email would be like, it was basically 2006. 00:42:57.200 --> 00:42:59.880 I think something whenever I registered Gmail. 00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:03.160 What was your very first email address, do you remember? 00:43:03.160 --> 00:43:05.080 My very first email address? 00:43:05.080 --> 00:43:08.940 I think it was, so I was working for a company. 00:43:08.940 --> 00:43:10.600 It was actually my very first job. 00:43:10.600 --> 00:43:14.220 And we had our own server on which we ran everything. 00:43:14.220 --> 00:43:15.780 All of the IT stuff there. 00:43:15.780 --> 00:43:17.620 And mail server was running on the same server. 00:43:17.620 --> 00:43:20.240 And it was like literally a computer under somebody's desk. 00:43:20.560 --> 00:43:23.160 The entire infrastructure of that company was like dependent on that one. 00:43:23.160 --> 00:43:24.300 It wasn't even a server. 00:43:24.300 --> 00:43:28.000 We called it a server, but it was a computer plugged into the end of that network. 00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:30.560 With Sticky saying like, don't unplug this. 00:43:30.560 --> 00:43:31.280 Yeah. 00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:34.400 Actually, let's save this for a moment. 00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:38.800 The business of that company was like, you call a local number, a phone number. 00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:40.220 And you can ask about a certain business. 00:43:40.220 --> 00:43:42.540 So like, where I can buy flowers in this neighborhood or something. 00:43:42.540 --> 00:43:44.020 It's like 411. 00:43:44.020 --> 00:43:44.740 Maybe. 00:43:44.740 --> 00:43:45.780 It was like 2003. 00:43:45.780 --> 00:43:46.780 It was 20 years ago. 00:43:46.780 --> 00:43:47.900 So before that, yeah. 00:43:47.900 --> 00:43:49.300 Yeah, it was 20 years ago. 00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:53.340 You would not have internet at your hand to just find the phone number of the company. 00:43:53.340 --> 00:43:55.800 You have to like call or like flip through yellow pages. 00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:57.600 It was essentially like yellow pages kind of thing. 00:43:57.600 --> 00:43:58.720 So then you would call. 00:43:58.720 --> 00:44:03.960 The operator would pull up the software that I developed where you can type the search parameters. 00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:06.440 And it gives you, it gives the operator the details. 00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:08.620 And then she gives it back to the caller. 00:44:08.620 --> 00:44:13.740 And I say she because like all of the women there were very stereotypical, but like everybody in the call center was female. 00:44:14.300 --> 00:44:19.460 So the URL of that company was 223-223.ru. 00:44:19.460 --> 00:44:25.580 And 223-223 was the phone number without the area code because like you would only call from your like landline. 00:44:25.580 --> 00:44:27.060 So you didn't need an area code. 00:44:27.060 --> 00:44:33.800 And my email was, I think, ib at 223.223ru because, you know, my initials. 00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:36.780 And they used a software called The Bat to download emails. 00:44:36.780 --> 00:44:37.960 Do you know that software? 00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:38.680 No. 00:44:38.680 --> 00:44:39.800 The Bat, no. 00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:40.480 No. 00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:42.960 So it was like Outlook Express at the time. 00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:44.600 And it was like shitty. 00:44:44.600 --> 00:44:46.040 Like it was really shitty. 00:44:46.040 --> 00:44:48.460 And The Bat was really, really good. 00:44:48.460 --> 00:44:50.880 It had like a nice yellow bat on the logo. 00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:51.560 Right. 00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:56.080 My first actually email program was not even a GUI. 00:44:56.080 --> 00:44:58.200 It was called Pine in Linux. 00:44:58.200 --> 00:44:59.800 But that was like crazy. 00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:02.480 When I got to university, I think I was using that. 00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:09.540 Anyway, before I get to my email address, 411, that's actually before, well, before internet. 00:45:09.540 --> 00:45:11.720 I think it's like 1950s or something. 00:45:11.720 --> 00:45:13.100 It's been going on since then. 00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:15.480 So that's a number in US and Canada. 00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:16.680 You can call. 00:45:16.680 --> 00:45:18.260 I don't know if it still exists or not. 00:45:18.260 --> 00:45:21.940 But you could call and ask anything about local information. 00:45:21.940 --> 00:45:23.240 It was pretty awesome. 00:45:23.240 --> 00:45:24.200 It was like ChatGPT. 00:45:24.200 --> 00:45:24.640 Yeah. 00:45:24.640 --> 00:45:26.240 ChatGPT order form. 00:45:26.240 --> 00:45:27.980 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:45:27.980 --> 00:45:30.200 So before the internet, it was really popular. 00:45:30.200 --> 00:45:33.200 Anyway, so going back to my email address. 00:45:33.200 --> 00:45:36.200 I remember this was 97 or 98. 00:45:36.200 --> 00:45:37.600 I think 1998. 00:45:37.600 --> 00:45:39.720 I'm really hoping it's something obscene. 00:45:39.720 --> 00:45:42.200 It's not, unfortunately. 00:45:42.700 --> 00:45:43.860 But it's very random. 00:45:43.860 --> 00:45:49.440 Because I didn't even know what an email is or what would I do with it. 00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:55.420 But the first thing, and this is before, like, I think in today's world, we know UX patterns 00:45:55.420 --> 00:46:00.480 and all that, where we need to educate the user about at least quickly, like, what is this 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:04.020 thing before you ask somebody to sign up for something or they would never sign up. 00:46:04.020 --> 00:46:08.180 But back then, nobody tells you what an email address is. 00:46:09.060 --> 00:46:13.340 The thing to do is, like, you go create your email address or register one, right? 00:46:13.340 --> 00:46:14.620 I use Hotmail. 00:46:14.620 --> 00:46:16.680 I think Hotmail was the big one at that time. 00:46:16.680 --> 00:46:19.080 Wait, Hotmail existed in, like, late 90s? 00:46:19.080 --> 00:46:20.700 I think, yeah, it was. 00:46:20.700 --> 00:46:21.460 Oh, wow. 00:46:21.460 --> 00:46:22.180 I think so. 00:46:22.180 --> 00:46:25.920 I feel like it's 1998 or sometime around that. 00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:27.080 I was in high school. 00:46:27.080 --> 00:46:27.500 Okay. 00:46:27.500 --> 00:46:28.460 And it was. 00:46:28.460 --> 00:46:31.580 It was launched in 1996, by the way. 00:46:31.580 --> 00:46:32.460 I just checked out. 00:46:32.460 --> 00:46:32.860 Yeah. 00:46:32.860 --> 00:46:36.520 So, I was, like, a new user of it, I guess, just two years in. 00:46:36.520 --> 00:46:37.940 Anyway. 00:46:37.940 --> 00:46:40.280 So, yeah, I don't know what an email address is. 00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:45.660 So, I think I remember just trying out, okay, maybe random or random is taken. 00:46:45.660 --> 00:46:46.700 Right? 00:46:46.700 --> 00:46:51.300 So, I just, like, put in a lot of characters, random. 00:46:51.300 --> 00:46:53.860 And then, like, A-R-X-I-I. 00:46:53.860 --> 00:46:57.340 X-I-I because I was in the 12th grade at that time. 00:46:57.460 --> 00:47:02.780 So, X-I-I, A-R for our noun, it's just to fill up, like, okay, I need to make something 00:47:02.780 --> 00:47:05.380 unique because I don't even know what this thing is. 00:47:05.380 --> 00:47:14.820 And then, that, until about 2004 or so, when I moved to Gmail, that was my primary email 00:47:14.820 --> 00:47:19.320 address, random A-R-X-I-I at hotmail.com. 00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:22.500 I find it interesting you had email, like, in late 90s. 00:47:22.500 --> 00:47:26.720 I did not have an email at that time because I think the only email, I didn't know about 00:47:26.720 --> 00:47:31.080 Hotmail, but the only email I could get, I would have to pay my internet provider for 00:47:31.080 --> 00:47:31.560 some email. 00:47:31.560 --> 00:47:34.520 You didn't have Hotmail and all that was there, right? 00:47:34.520 --> 00:47:35.160 Free email. 00:47:35.160 --> 00:47:36.600 I didn't know about it. 00:47:36.600 --> 00:47:39.820 Maybe in Russia, it was not popular or well-known. 00:47:39.820 --> 00:47:40.520 Yeah. 00:47:40.520 --> 00:47:45.580 Anyway, so, for those six, seven years, anytime somebody asks, what's your email address, 00:47:45.580 --> 00:47:51.540 I would have this long conversation about what the heck it is, how to spell it, and why 00:47:51.540 --> 00:47:52.140 is it that? 00:47:52.140 --> 00:47:55.040 Random A-R-X-I-I. 00:47:55.380 --> 00:47:57.080 What was your gaming nickname? 00:47:57.080 --> 00:47:58.100 I don't remember. 00:47:58.100 --> 00:48:00.320 I didn't have one consistent one, I think. 00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:00.860 Okay. 00:48:00.860 --> 00:48:01.860 What was yours? 00:48:01.860 --> 00:48:03.820 So, I had an obscene one. 00:48:03.820 --> 00:48:10.200 Because, like, I was, I don't know if I should say it, like, a pro gamer, but I was doing, 00:48:10.200 --> 00:48:10.860 like, championships. 00:48:10.860 --> 00:48:11.780 I was, like, obsessed. 00:48:11.780 --> 00:48:14.200 I was only playing one game, but I was playing obsessively. 00:48:14.200 --> 00:48:17.160 I took, you know, first places and I had a clan and all that. 00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:21.160 If Twitch was a thing, you would have been a millionaire and I would not have been able 00:48:21.160 --> 00:48:22.100 to talk to you today. 00:48:22.100 --> 00:48:22.440 Maybe. 00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:24.420 I was 20 years too early for that. 00:48:24.420 --> 00:48:26.760 The game for the record was Quake 2. 00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:30.520 And my nickname was Voodoo, you know, V-O-O-D-O-O. 00:48:30.520 --> 00:48:31.940 But it was initially that. 00:48:31.940 --> 00:48:35.300 And it was Voodoo.38 because 38 was the code of the region. 00:48:35.300 --> 00:48:38.880 In Russia, all the regions have their code that's written on the license plates. 00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:40.960 So, like, 38 is my home region. 00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:43.460 And my clan was, like, 38 Squad. 00:48:43.460 --> 00:48:46.380 And so, that's why I had this kind of .38. 00:48:46.380 --> 00:48:48.180 Everybody in our clan had a .38. 00:48:48.180 --> 00:48:51.980 But then I went to university and I wanted a different nickname. 00:48:51.980 --> 00:48:55.700 And in Russian, so you could take that name Voodoo. 00:48:55.700 --> 00:48:58.680 And if you add, like, a Russian twist, it's like Voodoo. 00:48:58.680 --> 00:49:02.740 It's like, I don't even know how to explain this properly. 00:49:02.740 --> 00:49:06.100 If you were in Russia and you were, like, a little boy, I would call you Arnabchik, 00:49:06.100 --> 00:49:08.760 which would be, like, a gentle way to address. 00:49:09.180 --> 00:49:11.460 Yeah, like, in Spanish, you do an Ito. 00:49:11.460 --> 00:49:12.500 Yes, exactly, yeah. 00:49:12.500 --> 00:49:13.860 Like, Arnabito, yeah. 00:49:13.860 --> 00:49:14.580 Iliato. 00:49:14.580 --> 00:49:15.460 Voodoo is ito. 00:49:15.460 --> 00:49:19.380 And then, like, because I was listening to a lot of heavy metal and ICT in particular, 00:49:19.380 --> 00:49:23.820 his band Body Count, he had songs about decks with Australian accent. 00:49:23.820 --> 00:49:24.480 Strya. 00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:25.180 Yeah. 00:49:25.180 --> 00:49:26.320 Yes. 00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:31.280 So, that's why I spelled Voodoo as, you know, with the word dick in it. 00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:34.300 And when I was, like, 17, that sounded really funny. 00:49:34.300 --> 00:49:37.780 You still have something with that? 00:49:37.900 --> 00:49:41.740 I have an email address, voodoo.gmail.com, which I use for just spam. 00:49:41.740 --> 00:49:46.880 Because I remember, like, maybe six months ago or something, I asked you, what's your email? 00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:47.900 Where do I send this? 00:49:47.900 --> 00:49:48.700 And you said this. 00:49:48.700 --> 00:49:49.980 And, like, what the heck is this? 00:49:49.980 --> 00:49:53.940 Yeah, it was really weird to actually spell this out to somebody here in the US. 00:49:53.940 --> 00:49:54.620 Yeah. 00:49:54.620 --> 00:49:56.520 But, yeah, it is what it is. 00:49:56.520 --> 00:49:57.240 Cool. 00:49:57.240 --> 00:49:57.920 Okay. 00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:02.340 So, this has been, I think, more like a prime episode feel. 00:50:02.340 --> 00:50:04.520 Very nice chat between friends. 00:50:04.520 --> 00:50:07.160 I don't know how it'll come out when it comes out as an episode. 00:50:07.160 --> 00:50:07.700 We'll see. 00:50:08.060 --> 00:50:09.700 Yeah, I think the latter part of it, yes. 00:50:09.700 --> 00:50:13.060 The first half, I think, is actually a lot about the podcasting stuff. 00:50:13.060 --> 00:50:14.020 Cool, cool. 00:50:14.020 --> 00:50:16.600 And I need to not forget to mark this as explicit. 00:50:16.600 --> 00:50:17.620 Yes. 00:50:17.620 --> 00:50:20.460 There was a lot of stuff here, yeah. 00:50:20.460 --> 00:50:21.300 Yeah. 00:50:22.580 --> 00:50:23.140 All righty. 00:50:23.140 --> 00:50:26.460 So, Arnab, if people want to contact us, what do they do? 00:50:26.460 --> 00:50:32.440 They send an email to randomarxisa at hotmail.com. 00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:32.860 No, no. 00:50:32.860 --> 00:50:36.360 Are you going to get an email if people send it to you? 00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:37.760 Do you have a redirect? 00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:40.780 I use the one password app. 00:50:40.780 --> 00:50:42.060 That one, I said. 00:50:42.060 --> 00:50:43.800 That one, that one, yeah. 00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:45.720 So, I still have the password there. 00:50:45.720 --> 00:50:48.080 I don't log in, but I should after this episode. 00:50:49.260 --> 00:50:54.280 But, yeah, they should email us at hello at metacastpodcast.com. 00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:57.600 For me, no more Instagram, no more Twitter. 00:50:57.600 --> 00:51:00.160 Just find me on LinkedIn, Ilya Bezdelev. 00:51:00.160 --> 00:51:04.120 And, yeah, read some insightful stuff from me. 00:51:04.120 --> 00:51:10.400 If you write to Ilya on LinkedIn, you have to end it with thoughts, question mark. 00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:13.520 That's the only way you'll get a response from Ilya. 00:51:13.520 --> 00:51:16.360 I find it so obnoxious when people say, like, thoughts. 00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:19.540 I mean, if you send something to me and I say, like, thoughts, that's fine. 00:51:19.540 --> 00:51:23.420 But, like, when some random person is like, oh, I would like to hear your thoughts. 00:51:23.420 --> 00:51:25.260 And it would be something, like, so weird. 00:51:25.260 --> 00:51:28.420 Like, oh, I see you run a podcast advertising agency. 00:51:28.420 --> 00:51:32.680 And then there is, like, a bunch of nonsense stuff in the message. 00:51:32.680 --> 00:51:34.540 And then something like, what are your thoughts on this? 00:51:34.540 --> 00:51:35.220 Or can we connect? 00:51:35.220 --> 00:51:38.780 And my reaction is like, what are you talking about? 00:51:39.460 --> 00:51:41.400 I don't have a podcast advertising agency. 00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:47.960 Oh, this is something like, oh, I see you have an exciting career in, like, XYZ, which I have, like, no relations to. 00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:49.600 Yeah. 00:51:49.600 --> 00:51:52.660 Did you go check out LinkedIn Lunatics on Reddit? 00:51:52.660 --> 00:51:53.800 I haven't yet. 00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:54.680 Please do. 00:51:54.680 --> 00:51:59.140 Sort by top and then have an hour and a half of fun in your life. 00:51:59.140 --> 00:52:00.400 It's insane. 00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:01.500 It's a sinkhole. 00:52:01.500 --> 00:52:02.240 That's what they're saying. 00:52:02.240 --> 00:52:03.700 I mean, that is Reddit. 00:52:04.220 --> 00:52:07.740 So is Reddit because, like, you read it? 00:52:07.740 --> 00:52:08.220 Yeah. 00:52:08.220 --> 00:52:09.600 Like, I have read something. 00:52:09.600 --> 00:52:10.880 Yeah, I read it. 00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:11.780 You read it. 00:52:11.780 --> 00:52:11.960 Okay. 00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:12.440 Yeah. 00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:13.140 All right. 00:52:13.140 --> 00:52:14.320 We recorded it. 00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:15.440 We recorded it. 00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:16.700 We can stop, I guess. 00:52:16.700 --> 00:52:20.260 Thank you, Arnav, for joining me for this wonderful meta-sode. 00:52:20.260 --> 00:52:21.060 See you next week. 00:52:21.060 --> 00:52:21.600 Yeah. 00:52:21.600 --> 00:52:22.520 See ya. 00:52:22.520 --> 00:52:23.200 Adieu. 00:52:23.200 --> 00:52:23.820 Bye-bye.