WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.780 I actually don't understand why, but they have two different ways of getting royalties. 00:00:05.780 --> 00:00:08.500 You can get like 70% or 35%. 00:00:08.500 --> 00:00:11.800 And I don't know why would you get 70% if you can get 70%. 00:00:11.800 --> 00:00:12.680 Can I guess? 00:00:12.680 --> 00:00:13.300 Yeah. 00:00:13.300 --> 00:00:17.520 I think there's probably two different orgs building those two features. 00:00:17.520 --> 00:00:23.800 Hello and welcome to Metacost. 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:25.760 And I'm your host. 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:28.120 Let's do it again. 00:00:28.120 --> 00:00:29.900 No, it's okay. 00:00:30.300 --> 00:00:35.020 So unfortunately, we had an interruption to our program from our host Arnav Degov from Sanju Vancouver. 00:00:35.020 --> 00:00:41.020 And we've been fiddling with our equipment for like half an hour now, trying to get everything correct. 00:00:41.020 --> 00:00:42.340 And you were also late. 00:00:42.340 --> 00:00:44.900 Well, it's like 7.30 in the morning, man. 00:00:44.900 --> 00:00:47.140 Yeah, but it's also my fault. 00:00:47.140 --> 00:00:50.440 Because I didn't tell you that we will be recording video. 00:00:50.440 --> 00:00:53.760 Yeah, we had decided to not do video, right? 00:00:53.760 --> 00:00:55.140 After the last one. 00:00:55.140 --> 00:00:56.540 Yeah, after our last one. 00:00:56.540 --> 00:01:01.560 But let's first, I guess, talk about why it's an even episode. 00:01:01.560 --> 00:01:03.940 And there is no guest. 00:01:03.940 --> 00:01:05.140 Or is there a guest? 00:01:05.140 --> 00:01:06.540 No, there is no guest. 00:01:06.540 --> 00:01:07.780 Just the two of us. 00:01:07.780 --> 00:01:09.280 Not a visible one, at least. 00:01:09.720 --> 00:01:11.200 Yeah, and not the one that can speak. 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:11.980 No. 00:01:11.980 --> 00:01:15.520 We've been trying to get a guest on our show. 00:01:15.520 --> 00:01:19.340 We have a couple of folks, really, really cool folks lined up. 00:01:19.340 --> 00:01:20.560 I'm so excited. 00:01:21.100 --> 00:01:22.340 I'm so excited about them. 00:01:22.340 --> 00:01:24.260 Yeah, I don't want to name the names just yet. 00:01:24.260 --> 00:01:26.400 But these are two people that I really admire. 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:28.980 I think both of us do admire both of those people. 00:01:28.980 --> 00:01:30.600 But they have busy schedules. 00:01:30.600 --> 00:01:32.380 And so they kind of spread out. 00:01:32.380 --> 00:01:33.900 And we reached out to a few more people. 00:01:33.900 --> 00:01:40.280 And at some point, I'm like, it's just too much stress to have people scheduled for every other week. 00:01:40.800 --> 00:01:44.020 And we are now heads down on working on our product. 00:01:44.020 --> 00:01:46.120 And it's just not, it adds a lot of stress. 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:48.640 I'm so excited about that, too. 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:49.580 Yeah. 00:01:49.580 --> 00:01:55.220 And then we also got a couple of emails from, actually, one particular email that we'll read a bit later, 00:01:55.220 --> 00:01:59.700 which encouraged us to maybe do more of our metasodes. 00:01:59.700 --> 00:02:06.280 So basically, from now on, at least until we change our minds, the show structure will be as such. 00:02:06.280 --> 00:02:07.640 Season two. 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:09.220 Season two, yeah. 00:02:09.940 --> 00:02:13.860 So we'll basically do, just the two of us, what we used to call metasodes. 00:02:13.860 --> 00:02:18.080 Basically, they will continue to be metasodes because we will be talking about all of the meta things, 00:02:18.080 --> 00:02:24.340 about what's going on with our company, with our lives, podcasting in general. 00:02:24.340 --> 00:02:27.600 We will try to keep it anchored on podcasting as much as possible. 00:02:27.600 --> 00:02:31.560 But there will be a lot of other interesting things that we will talk about. 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:37.180 And then whenever we can get a guest scheduled, a good guest, then we will have a guest episode. 00:02:37.480 --> 00:02:41.740 But we are also, I think, upping a notch on our guest list, right? 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:49.520 Yeah, so I think we've climbed the first level of the ladder where we're going for, like, bigger and bigger, more famous people now. 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:50.500 Yeah. 00:02:50.500 --> 00:02:52.120 So, yeah, let's see how it goes. 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:52.760 Stay tuned. 00:02:52.760 --> 00:02:53.460 Yeah. 00:02:53.460 --> 00:02:56.060 And not to diminish the people who have been on our podcast. 00:02:56.060 --> 00:02:59.940 But, yeah, I feel like that will be the next stage for our growth. 00:02:59.940 --> 00:03:00.780 That's what I hope. 00:03:00.780 --> 00:03:01.460 Yeah. 00:03:01.460 --> 00:03:02.700 It's when those people will share. 00:03:02.700 --> 00:03:04.180 They have large audiences. 00:03:04.180 --> 00:03:07.040 And, yeah, super exciting. 00:03:07.040 --> 00:03:11.560 Yeah, I mean, not to diminish at all because they are foundational to it. 00:03:11.560 --> 00:03:18.440 And, in fact, in the emails that you send out, you call them out that this person was here or Justin Frankel was here. 00:03:18.440 --> 00:03:20.520 So, yeah, it's been pretty cool. 00:03:21.140 --> 00:03:22.860 Oh, actually, we did have some big names, too. 00:03:22.860 --> 00:03:23.660 Yeah. 00:03:23.660 --> 00:03:26.420 Because the first person you mentioned was Justin Frankel. 00:03:26.420 --> 00:03:27.120 Yeah. 00:03:27.480 --> 00:03:34.280 And I think we have heard previously, too, from other people, two consistent pieces of feedback. 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:37.320 One is people really enjoy the Metasodes. 00:03:37.320 --> 00:03:40.980 And the second thing is the episodes are very long. 00:03:40.980 --> 00:03:46.080 So, we're going to try to keep it to about 30 minutes actual after production. 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:46.900 Let's see. 00:03:46.900 --> 00:03:47.900 Yeah. 00:03:47.900 --> 00:03:55.920 And if you have any feedback for us on this front, please send us an email at hello at metacastpodcast.com. 00:03:55.920 --> 00:03:56.640 Yeah. 00:03:57.060 --> 00:03:58.380 Actually, let's go to that topic, Arunap. 00:03:58.380 --> 00:04:02.180 Let's just go and read some of the feedback that you received. 00:04:02.180 --> 00:04:06.720 Talking about feedback, we have been asking for this, like, leave us a rating and comment forever. 00:04:06.720 --> 00:04:15.800 And we have received, like, emails or messages through WhatsApp or Signal directly to either you or me from our friends and network. 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:25.280 But I think after we published the last episode, which was about our Google and Amazon and leaving that and starting something new, 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:30.460 there was some incredible emails that came our way. 00:04:30.460 --> 00:04:32.980 So, we're going to read a couple of them. 00:04:33.300 --> 00:04:41.420 And we're going to read a few quotes. 00:04:41.420 --> 00:04:43.460 Do you want to go first or should I go first? 00:04:44.280 --> 00:04:46.860 So, by the way, we tried to use ChatGPT to do the summarization. 00:04:47.520 --> 00:04:51.580 And it took away some of the magic from that emotion. 00:04:51.580 --> 00:04:55.080 Yeah, I think you should go first with the email that you summarized. 00:04:55.080 --> 00:04:57.700 But I'll add a bit of personal story there. 00:04:57.700 --> 00:05:00.740 I woke up, I think it was about a week ago. 00:05:00.740 --> 00:05:02.940 Yeah, I wasn't in a very good mood and all. 00:05:02.940 --> 00:05:07.140 And the first thing I read that morning was that email from Mo. 00:05:07.900 --> 00:05:10.020 And it just made my day. 00:05:10.020 --> 00:05:12.020 So, yeah, go for it. 00:05:12.020 --> 00:05:13.460 Similar, I think. 00:05:13.460 --> 00:05:15.640 I read it late at night. 00:05:15.640 --> 00:05:18.160 And I had come back from playing tennis. 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:21.040 If you remember, Ilya, I told you I didn't play well that day. 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:24.560 And I was a bit depressed with everything. 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:25.480 I was tired also. 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:29.020 And then I, just before going to sleep, I thought, okay, let me check. 00:05:29.020 --> 00:05:31.360 And that email was amazing. 00:05:31.520 --> 00:05:33.020 I immediately sent it to you. 00:05:33.020 --> 00:05:35.140 And you saw it in your morning, I think. 00:05:35.140 --> 00:05:36.060 Okay, cool. 00:05:36.060 --> 00:05:40.280 So, this was from Mo, who's a software engineer from Vancouver. 00:05:40.280 --> 00:05:47.440 He found our show via Brian McCullough when he talked about it in the Tech Meme Ride Home podcast. 00:05:47.440 --> 00:05:49.420 Brian was in our episode too. 00:05:49.420 --> 00:05:52.640 So, Mo has been listening to pretty much all the episodes so far. 00:05:52.640 --> 00:05:57.320 Yeah, he said that once he heard Brian, he went and checked out our episode. 00:05:57.320 --> 00:05:58.460 And then he was interested. 00:05:58.460 --> 00:06:00.540 So, he went back and listened to the first episode as well. 00:06:00.540 --> 00:06:01.280 Right. 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:03.100 When we only had two episodes. 00:06:03.100 --> 00:06:03.880 Right. 00:06:03.880 --> 00:06:06.000 Okay, so here's what he had to say. 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:08.180 A few sentences I'll quote from there. 00:06:08.180 --> 00:06:15.620 From the very first episode, I have been captivated by the content and the passion that emanates from the Metacast podcast. 00:06:15.620 --> 00:06:22.900 I want to express my heartfelt appreciation for the inspiration that the Metacast podcast has provided me. 00:06:22.900 --> 00:06:28.220 And later on, your contributions are making a difference, not only in my life. 00:06:28.220 --> 00:06:30.860 And then he goes on to, like, talk about a few more things. 00:06:30.980 --> 00:06:38.820 And finally, I am honored to be a fan since day one and look forward to continuing this incredible journey alongside you. 00:06:39.540 --> 00:06:43.900 I wish I could read the whole email, but it had so many things in it. 00:06:43.900 --> 00:06:44.560 And this really made both of us. 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:46.300 And this really made both of our days. 00:06:46.300 --> 00:06:47.180 So, thank you, Mo. 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:52.040 I actually pasted it to a Google Doc where we keep track of all of the feedback. 00:06:52.040 --> 00:06:54.120 It's over one page long. 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:55.420 It goes beyond one page. 00:06:55.420 --> 00:06:56.540 So, it's a very long email. 00:06:56.540 --> 00:06:57.720 It was very thoughtful. 00:06:57.720 --> 00:07:03.540 You know, very inspiring for us to read that, to see that things that we do resonate with people. 00:07:03.760 --> 00:07:07.820 Because the thing with podcasting is, you just record your show into the void. 00:07:07.820 --> 00:07:09.600 And unless people write back. 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:12.220 I mean, we see the numbers, but numbers don't mean anything. 00:07:12.220 --> 00:07:16.780 It's those little pieces of feedback that really matter. 00:07:17.280 --> 00:07:25.180 So, I'll also do a very short summary of the other email that we received from a person whose name we will not say. 00:07:25.180 --> 00:07:27.880 He is our friend. 00:07:27.880 --> 00:07:29.440 We used to work together at Amazon. 00:07:29.440 --> 00:07:31.380 And he said that... 00:07:31.380 --> 00:07:34.280 To keep it even more mysterious. 00:07:34.280 --> 00:07:35.280 Yeah. 00:07:35.280 --> 00:07:36.940 I already spelled that part. 00:07:36.940 --> 00:07:43.520 So, he said that he listened to those two episodes because it was a two-part episode. 00:07:43.520 --> 00:07:47.320 And it was so insightful and deep that I listened to it one more time. 00:07:47.320 --> 00:07:51.860 I personally have never listened to the same episode twice within such a short time frame. 00:07:51.860 --> 00:07:52.260 So, yeah. 00:07:52.260 --> 00:07:52.620 Thank you. 00:07:52.620 --> 00:07:58.260 And he said that many things that you both spoke about resonated with my own feelings and views. 00:07:58.400 --> 00:08:03.580 Like me doing more and more things that I do not love as I climb higher in the career ladder. 00:08:03.580 --> 00:08:07.580 Crippling fear before taking the leap of faith, financial planning, and so on. 00:08:07.580 --> 00:08:14.660 And he said that it was reassuring to hear some of my own experiences I'm currently going through as your past experiences. 00:08:14.660 --> 00:08:17.960 So, he's almost like reliving his future experiences. 00:08:17.960 --> 00:08:18.840 I don't know. 00:08:18.840 --> 00:08:20.580 It's interesting to hear that. 00:08:20.580 --> 00:08:23.060 Similar path as we were on, I think. 00:08:23.060 --> 00:08:23.660 Yeah. 00:08:23.660 --> 00:08:24.040 Yeah. 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:25.340 I think he's a bit younger than us. 00:08:25.340 --> 00:08:27.020 And probably that's the kind of... 00:08:27.020 --> 00:08:27.960 He's a few years behind. 00:08:28.400 --> 00:08:29.940 And that's what he says. 00:08:29.940 --> 00:08:35.120 I think I'm still a few years behind, but very close, in that path on the lake. 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:35.840 Yeah. 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:39.460 Go ahead and check out the episode 24, part one and part two. 00:08:39.460 --> 00:08:46.220 That's where we bring that concept of the pathless path, where instead of following a route that somebody else paves for you, 00:08:46.220 --> 00:08:53.400 you are on the lake and you're free to go wherever you can as long as you have financial freedom to do that, I guess. 00:08:53.400 --> 00:08:55.140 It's a big part of what we discussed, too. 00:08:55.360 --> 00:09:01.120 Oh, and one thing he said at the very end of the email, I'd like to just thank you both for getting vulnerable. 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:11.940 And I think it's an interesting point because it's not easy for many people to get vulnerable just in general in life, even with those that they love. 00:09:12.300 --> 00:09:15.580 But even more so when you're sending it out into the internet. 00:09:15.580 --> 00:09:16.500 Yeah. 00:09:16.880 --> 00:09:18.780 And even more so with video. 00:09:18.780 --> 00:09:21.440 Well, that unluckily we didn't do with video. 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:22.860 That's true. 00:09:22.860 --> 00:09:23.240 Yeah. 00:09:23.240 --> 00:09:23.900 So, yeah. 00:09:23.900 --> 00:09:24.960 Check that out. 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:25.640 Yeah. 00:09:25.640 --> 00:09:27.020 No, those were great. 00:09:27.020 --> 00:09:29.280 And I think these kind of feedback... 00:09:29.280 --> 00:09:30.480 We received a few more, too. 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:31.920 We won't read out all of them. 00:09:31.920 --> 00:09:39.720 But it's been, I want to say, almost overwhelming, the amount of thoughtful feedback that we received after those two episodes. 00:09:39.880 --> 00:09:43.260 So, thank you, everybody, for taking the time to listen to it, yeah. 00:09:43.260 --> 00:09:44.540 Yeah, absolutely. 00:09:44.540 --> 00:09:46.680 And if you have something to say, don't hold back. 00:09:46.680 --> 00:09:47.480 Send us an email. 00:09:47.480 --> 00:09:51.040 Even if it's just a couple of sentences, we'll be happy to hear from you. 00:09:51.400 --> 00:10:01.380 And if you want to publicly leave a comment, then, you know, if you subscribe to our Substack, you receive those emails whenever we publish, you could just reply to that email. 00:10:01.380 --> 00:10:03.320 I didn't know that feature existed. 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:04.060 That's pretty cool. 00:10:04.060 --> 00:10:08.720 So, you can just reply to any email from Substack, and that will become a comment on the post. 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:12.320 Is it going to be a comment, or are you going to get this as an email? 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:15.020 It's going to become a comment in the post. 00:10:15.020 --> 00:10:17.580 Nobody has left it yet, so we don't know. 00:10:17.580 --> 00:10:19.460 Maybe you can be the first one listener. 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:21.560 Yeah, help us test this. 00:10:21.560 --> 00:10:38.260 So, yeah, speaking about the videos, you know, I kind of caught Arna by surprise today by telling him at 7.20 a.m. that for our recording at 7.30, he needs to be all dressed up and all to be in the video-appropriate attire. 00:10:38.260 --> 00:10:43.660 So, this is the best I could do with my hair in, like, 10 minutes, 15. 00:10:43.660 --> 00:10:45.560 I took 20 minutes, though, yeah. 00:10:45.560 --> 00:10:46.640 You were 20 minutes late, yeah. 00:10:46.640 --> 00:10:47.040 Yeah. 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:51.720 But also not shaved or anything. 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:53.160 It's all good, yeah. 00:10:53.160 --> 00:10:54.820 So, yeah, but we're keeping it real. 00:10:54.820 --> 00:10:58.540 I think as long as the hair is not dirty, I think that's fine. 00:10:58.540 --> 00:11:04.060 But the reason why we wanted to do video, or I wanted to do video, I guess is the right way to say this. 00:11:04.060 --> 00:11:05.320 YouTube. 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:09.340 Because YouTube promotes video content just randomly to people. 00:11:10.660 --> 00:11:14.820 And I think we're missing out on that potential by not doing the video. 00:11:14.820 --> 00:11:18.080 Video takes quite a bit of time to produce. 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:26.300 The previous episode that came out on July 5th, where we talk about all of the gear and give a lot of tips for podcasting. 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:32.700 So, that one we wanted to do as a video episode because we show a bunch of things and we also want YouTube to promote that. 00:11:32.700 --> 00:11:38.940 It took me, I think, a good three or four days, pretty much, like, working sort of full days to produce it. 00:11:39.220 --> 00:11:43.220 It was a lot of effort, but I was also learning the tool while doing that. 00:11:43.220 --> 00:11:48.780 And I was also taking a lot of notes, which probably, like, added another 30-40% of time. 00:11:48.780 --> 00:11:55.520 So, for this one, it's going to be a test because we are not going to put so much effort into this one. 00:11:55.940 --> 00:12:00.300 I'll try to just maybe cut out just the parts that we shouldn't have said. 00:12:00.300 --> 00:12:02.760 But otherwise, just leave it unedited. 00:12:02.760 --> 00:12:05.820 And then we do the regular edits for the audio part of it. 00:12:05.820 --> 00:12:06.540 Right. 00:12:06.540 --> 00:12:11.540 And because we are being vulnerable, we will not cut out anything because there's nothing we wouldn't say. 00:12:11.540 --> 00:12:12.520 Yes. 00:12:12.520 --> 00:12:14.660 I think the first two minutes, though, we were fiddling with the equipment. 00:12:14.660 --> 00:12:16.120 Yeah, yeah, sure. 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:16.380 Yeah. 00:12:16.380 --> 00:12:17.820 We'll have to cut that part out. 00:12:17.820 --> 00:12:18.360 Yeah. 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:21.360 Last time, how long was the actual recording? 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:23.540 It was two hours and six minutes. 00:12:23.540 --> 00:12:24.480 Okay. 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:27.680 And what was the post-produced episode length? 00:12:27.680 --> 00:12:30.700 One hour, 29 minutes, and 36 seconds. 00:12:30.700 --> 00:12:31.720 Okay. 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:34.180 So, we cut out, like, 30% of it. 00:12:34.180 --> 00:12:35.020 A quarter. 00:12:35.020 --> 00:12:39.500 But we also inserted some, like, I think, audio and all that into it. 00:12:39.500 --> 00:12:40.180 Yes. 00:12:40.180 --> 00:12:42.700 We inserted a bunch of audio clips from our previous guest. 00:12:42.700 --> 00:12:48.800 I think that's pretty cool because I was able to bring maybe 10, at least, audio clips from our previous recordings, 00:12:48.800 --> 00:12:53.440 which, thanks to Descript, we have transcripts of all of those recordings. 00:12:53.440 --> 00:12:58.820 So, I could easily find those parts because I remembered them, but I wouldn't be able to find them without the transcript. 00:12:58.820 --> 00:13:00.300 So, I brought them in. 00:13:00.300 --> 00:13:00.840 Yeah. 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:04.200 It took a bit of time to edit those in, especially that I was learning the tool. 00:13:04.460 --> 00:13:06.240 I was using Descript for that episode. 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:07.560 But, yeah, I think it came out. 00:13:07.560 --> 00:13:12.760 I would say I'm not in love with it, but I think I've done a pretty decent job. 00:13:12.760 --> 00:13:19.140 So, I haven't seen the video fully because you finished it two days ago, I think, and I was out of town anyway. 00:13:19.140 --> 00:13:21.260 But the audio one sounded great. 00:13:21.260 --> 00:13:22.260 I loved it, actually. 00:13:22.660 --> 00:13:26.980 Yeah, and that's the thing about Descript that I wanted to talk about. 00:13:26.980 --> 00:13:32.820 So, previously, what we were doing is we were making content edits in Descript. 00:13:32.820 --> 00:13:38.900 And for those of you who don't know, Descript is a tool where you import, you know, your audio files or video files. 00:13:39.300 --> 00:13:42.980 I think they're leaning more towards video at this point, towards video creators. 00:13:42.980 --> 00:13:45.320 And then it gives you Transcript. 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:57.320 And you can manipulate the Transcript, remove parts from Transcript, and it removes that part from the audio or video, which is really cool because it makes visual the editing of audio, which is inherently non-visual. 00:13:57.320 --> 00:13:58.000 Yeah. 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:04.100 You can even change words in there and it'll, like, create it in your voice and simulate the video. 00:14:04.100 --> 00:14:05.940 I don't know if you've tried much of that. 00:14:05.940 --> 00:14:11.840 We should try it once, actually, and then we produce, like, a full paragraph of synthesized speech and just see how it sounds. 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:13.560 I think I have a great idea. 00:14:13.560 --> 00:14:13.880 Yeah. 00:14:13.880 --> 00:14:15.500 All of your ideas are great, yeah. 00:14:15.500 --> 00:14:18.340 You don't need to qualify your ideas. 00:14:18.340 --> 00:14:19.660 I know they're always great. 00:14:19.660 --> 00:14:21.340 Okay, great. 00:14:21.340 --> 00:14:25.620 We should do, like, a recording of maybe 15 minutes of talking about our topic. 00:14:26.340 --> 00:14:36.000 Then take the audio transcript from Descript, feed that into ChatGPT to, say, make this, like, a stand-up comedy or something else. 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:38.900 Feed it back into Descript and see what happens. 00:14:38.900 --> 00:14:39.960 Okay. 00:14:39.960 --> 00:14:40.780 And then they retire. 00:14:40.780 --> 00:14:41.320 Shh. 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:44.360 Yeah. 00:14:44.680 --> 00:14:58.060 So, but what we were doing previously, we would take the raw recordings that were kind of chopped in Descript, and then we would send them to a sound engineer who would, you know, apply a lot of sound engineering magic to that. 00:14:58.060 --> 00:15:02.800 But because this one was video, I didn't want to produce, like, an extra audio thing. 00:15:02.800 --> 00:15:09.240 And also, the tools that we use for audio, I don't think they're compatible with video, so you would have to split the tracks, audio from video. 00:15:09.560 --> 00:15:10.980 That would be a lot of extra overhead. 00:15:10.980 --> 00:15:21.100 So, instead, I gave a try of the Descript's studio sound feature, which just, like, automatically makes your audio sound good. 00:15:21.100 --> 00:15:22.240 Oh, wow. 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:28.540 So, it produces, like, the whole episode in one go, or what does that feature do? 00:15:28.540 --> 00:15:31.340 Or does it, like, individually edit all the segments? 00:15:31.340 --> 00:15:35.920 It's applied to the whole track, to the whole kind of underlying audio track. 00:15:35.920 --> 00:15:37.700 So, and that was actually one of the problems. 00:15:38.100 --> 00:15:40.160 You cannot disable it on a specific segment. 00:15:40.160 --> 00:15:42.380 You are either in or you are out. 00:15:42.380 --> 00:15:45.040 And what it does, it removes background noise. 00:15:45.040 --> 00:15:47.180 It, I think, brings the volume up. 00:15:47.180 --> 00:15:48.140 It applies compressor. 00:15:48.140 --> 00:15:49.900 It removes the popping sounds. 00:15:49.900 --> 00:15:57.660 And the difficulty I experienced there was we had some of the parts where somebody turned on the shower in your house. 00:15:57.660 --> 00:15:59.740 And you could clearly hear this on the recording. 00:15:59.740 --> 00:16:03.840 But after we applied studio sound, there was just silence there because it took it out. 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:11.800 For that particular thing, I had to take the file, go to Reperb, cut that piece, insert it like a layer, like an additional sound layer. 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:15.440 Because we had path dependency on the shower noise. 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:17.500 Like, we talked about it on the episode. 00:16:17.500 --> 00:16:20.660 Yeah, I think it turned out actually pretty decent in terms of audio quality. 00:16:20.660 --> 00:16:23.680 I was listening to the new episode this morning as it was published. 00:16:23.680 --> 00:16:25.460 I think it was actually sounding good. 00:16:25.460 --> 00:16:29.920 The only thing I had to do, I did it for my track, but next time I should also do it for your track. 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:37.480 I removed the echo and the reverberation using iZotope because Descript cannot do this yet. 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:39.980 But I think at some point that we'll be able to. 00:16:39.980 --> 00:16:43.920 So, yeah, we'll try this a few more times, see how it goes. 00:16:43.920 --> 00:16:53.080 Because, I mean, obviously it's cheaper because we can just use Descript and, you know, not have to pay somebody else to do the work. 00:16:53.760 --> 00:16:56.820 Who's been awesome, by the way, Misha, he's in Germany. 00:16:56.820 --> 00:17:00.960 If you have sound engineering needs, contact Ilya and he'll get you connected. 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:03.980 You've been working with him for a few years now, right? 00:17:03.980 --> 00:17:05.060 For a couple of years, yeah. 00:17:05.060 --> 00:17:11.100 Also, his contact details are linked from our previous show notes in Substack. 00:17:11.100 --> 00:17:20.580 But, like, just purely pragmatically, I would say the sound quality that Descript produces is not the same as what Misha can do with his chops, right? 00:17:20.580 --> 00:17:22.300 Of course, yeah. 00:17:22.300 --> 00:17:25.020 But now that Ilya doesn't have a job anymore. 00:17:25.020 --> 00:17:26.680 Yeah, that's one thing. 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:28.440 But also, it's 80% there. 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:32.680 There are some areas where, like, the volume would be too low, like, there is too much compression. 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:33.500 I could hear that. 00:17:33.500 --> 00:17:37.840 Yeah, and you can't individually tweak those things. 00:17:37.840 --> 00:17:39.080 You can't, no. 00:17:39.080 --> 00:17:44.020 But I think for now, especially that we will start doing video, we will see how it goes. 00:17:44.020 --> 00:17:46.620 And, yeah, we'll go from there. 00:17:46.620 --> 00:17:47.760 But I was impressed. 00:17:47.760 --> 00:17:51.680 I was impressed with the quality of Descript's sound effects. 00:17:52.100 --> 00:17:58.600 And, you know, we've made a lot of fun of Descript since we recorded our first episode in October or November, I believe. 00:17:58.820 --> 00:18:02.280 To be fair, it was not instigated by us most of the time. 00:18:02.280 --> 00:18:04.780 It depends. 00:18:04.780 --> 00:18:08.460 But I've seen that growth of Descript over time. 00:18:08.460 --> 00:18:10.180 And, wow, I'm impressed. 00:18:10.180 --> 00:18:11.140 I'm impressed. 00:18:11.140 --> 00:18:12.980 I wish it was actually faster. 00:18:12.980 --> 00:18:16.040 It's a bit slow in terms of, like, the user interface. 00:18:16.040 --> 00:18:18.920 And I have, well, the Mac that was latest a year ago. 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:20.440 So it's a very powerful machine. 00:18:20.440 --> 00:18:22.120 And I still feel like it's very slow. 00:18:22.120 --> 00:18:23.540 Well, I guess relatively slow. 00:18:23.540 --> 00:18:25.580 But it still saves us a lot of time. 00:18:25.580 --> 00:18:27.740 What about the video itself? 00:18:27.740 --> 00:18:30.300 Does it do any sort of magic to the video? 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:33.580 I haven't really gone that deep yet. 00:18:33.580 --> 00:18:43.180 But what I found really helpful, you can add things like, for example, for those sections where I brought clips of other people talking. 00:18:43.720 --> 00:18:48.520 I inserted the cover of the episode instead of the video. 00:18:48.520 --> 00:18:50.160 You can replace those. 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:51.180 I think they call them scenes. 00:18:51.180 --> 00:18:52.500 They're almost like frames. 00:18:52.500 --> 00:18:54.280 You can add new scenes. 00:18:54.280 --> 00:18:55.740 You can add some GIFs and stuff. 00:18:55.740 --> 00:18:56.820 I've not played with that. 00:18:56.820 --> 00:18:58.260 But it's very powerful. 00:18:58.260 --> 00:19:03.260 And when you insert those clips, of course, they're from different people, different episodes. 00:19:03.260 --> 00:19:05.540 So it's going to sound, like, totally different. 00:19:05.540 --> 00:19:10.200 How did the overall sound, studio sound thing work? 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:13.320 Because that applies to the whole episode, right? 00:19:13.320 --> 00:19:14.760 Not individual segments. 00:19:14.760 --> 00:19:17.000 Well, it applies to tracks, right? 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:20.620 So your track has its own studio sound. 00:19:20.620 --> 00:19:22.100 My track has its own studio sound. 00:19:22.100 --> 00:19:28.400 But I did not apply any effects on the inserts because they've already been post-produced by Misha. 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:30.840 So they were already at a good quality. 00:19:30.840 --> 00:19:37.880 If they were raw recordings, I could have applied studio sound for each of those inserts separately. 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:40.380 Okay, so that's episode 25. 00:19:40.380 --> 00:19:43.100 It came out as of this recording today. 00:19:43.660 --> 00:19:45.100 Fresh off the kitchen. 00:19:45.100 --> 00:19:46.540 Yeah. 00:19:46.540 --> 00:19:48.660 So for you, it came out last week. 00:19:48.660 --> 00:19:49.980 For those of you who are listening. 00:19:49.980 --> 00:19:50.700 Yeah. 00:19:50.700 --> 00:19:53.660 But for us who are recording, yeah, it came out just a few hours ago. 00:19:53.660 --> 00:19:54.380 Yeah. 00:19:54.380 --> 00:19:58.040 So, and you are doing a few more things with that episode, right? 00:19:58.040 --> 00:19:58.840 Taking it further. 00:19:59.620 --> 00:20:00.020 Yes. 00:20:00.020 --> 00:20:07.820 So the original plan was that I also write a book summarizing all of the things that we've said in the episode, but a lot more. 00:20:07.820 --> 00:20:09.900 There is a lot more that goes into that. 00:20:10.540 --> 00:20:15.180 And actually, I think I found the name for the book, which I would like to call. 00:20:15.820 --> 00:20:17.960 And I will not say how it goes, but I'll keep it as a surprise. 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:23.880 So the idea was I wanted to make it a simultaneous launch kind of the episode and the book. 00:20:24.640 --> 00:20:29.260 And I fell way behind schedule with that video production. 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:33.060 So I'm not even close to being ready with the book. 00:20:33.060 --> 00:20:36.000 So let's hope it comes out when this episode comes out. 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:43.860 If not, under this episode and show notes, there is a page where you can subscribe to get notified when the book comes out. 00:20:44.560 --> 00:20:50.040 And I'm pretty sure it will be an awesome book, but we'll see. 00:20:50.040 --> 00:20:51.300 What kind of book? 00:20:51.300 --> 00:20:52.740 I mean, sure, it'll be awesome. 00:20:52.740 --> 00:20:55.220 What kind of book are you trying to go for? 00:20:55.220 --> 00:20:59.860 Oh, it's like a textbook, you know, like boring stuff that you get in university. 00:20:59.860 --> 00:21:01.740 Oh, so it's going to be like $80. 00:21:01.740 --> 00:21:04.840 Textbooks are like $160. 00:21:04.840 --> 00:21:08.820 Well, you can rent it for a semester for $70. 00:21:08.820 --> 00:21:12.520 And then it will be like all over with like highlighter markers and stuff. 00:21:13.140 --> 00:21:20.400 Now, so I'm taking a lot of inspiration from the book by Jason Freed and David Hanemar Hansen called Rework, 00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:23.060 which is a book about entrepreneurship. 00:21:23.060 --> 00:21:29.840 But the structure of it is such that every chapter is no more than, I think, two and a half pages long. 00:21:29.840 --> 00:21:32.560 Like very, very short chapters, very punchy. 00:21:32.560 --> 00:21:35.400 So I'm going for the same style. 00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:39.360 But I'm also thinking about how can we demystify podcasting? 00:21:39.800 --> 00:21:44.660 There's a lot of steps that you have to take to create a podcast to even launch your first episode. 00:21:44.660 --> 00:21:48.680 There is like, you know, the cover art, the music, the post-production, the recording, the microphone, the room. 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:50.400 All of that stuff, it's overwhelming. 00:21:51.140 --> 00:21:53.980 But it's overwhelming when you look at this as a black box. 00:21:53.980 --> 00:22:00.640 But if you look at it as a, like a roadmap, and I think about it in terms of day zero, day one, and day two. 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:04.880 And day zero is like, how do you prepare for, like before you even record? 00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:06.400 What microphone do you buy? 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:09.100 Like what kind of room you need to prepare? 00:22:09.100 --> 00:22:11.380 Your cover art, things like this. 00:22:11.700 --> 00:22:13.440 Like thinking what your podcast should be about. 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:16.020 And then day one is, it's a recording day. 00:22:16.020 --> 00:22:17.140 Like how do you record? 00:22:17.140 --> 00:22:18.120 How do you test your equipment? 00:22:18.120 --> 00:22:19.380 How you work with the guests? 00:22:19.380 --> 00:22:22.920 And then how you take all of that post-produce and publish. 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:29.480 And then day two is, how do you make improvements on your process over time? 00:22:29.480 --> 00:22:35.500 So basically the point there is, how do we get you as quickly and cheaply as possible? 00:22:35.500 --> 00:22:38.900 Minimal amount of work to be able to publish it, yeah. 00:22:38.900 --> 00:22:40.320 Yeah, very pragmatically, right? 00:22:40.320 --> 00:22:44.500 Yeah, actually I think that's what Jason Fried and DHH's work is about. 00:22:44.500 --> 00:22:45.400 It's about being pragmatic. 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:49.480 And the book, The Pragmatic Programmer is one of the inspirations here as well. 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:54.300 It's like, how do we give you the right tools at the right cost with minimal effort? 00:22:54.300 --> 00:22:57.780 I mean, we don't own any of those tools, but like how do we give you advice? 00:22:57.780 --> 00:23:01.800 And then you can just follow that advice and get your podcast out in a week. 00:23:01.800 --> 00:23:04.800 So yeah, that's what the book is about. 00:23:04.800 --> 00:23:08.100 A friend was asking, hey, you guys started a podcast. 00:23:08.660 --> 00:23:09.800 I'm interested too. 00:23:09.800 --> 00:23:13.000 He wants to do something in the world of finance, right? 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:14.500 And he was asking all these. 00:23:14.500 --> 00:23:16.520 And I said, wow, what a timely question. 00:23:16.520 --> 00:23:19.820 Our episode is coming out tomorrow, talking about this. 00:23:19.820 --> 00:23:22.220 And then Ilya is also doing a book very soon. 00:23:22.220 --> 00:23:28.460 So this is going to be like a PDF or a short, quick book on Gumroad or something? 00:23:28.460 --> 00:23:31.320 Or how are you thinking about publishing and distributing it? 00:23:31.320 --> 00:23:37.940 I think it will end up being maybe like 150, 200 pages book, but not very dense because I 00:23:37.940 --> 00:23:40.360 want to keep it playful, playful with images and all. 00:23:40.360 --> 00:23:42.600 Playful, practical, I think, right? 00:23:42.600 --> 00:23:46.560 Like we're going for the practical information and that's it. 00:23:46.560 --> 00:23:49.860 No life stories, unlike our podcast. 00:23:50.420 --> 00:23:50.800 Right. 00:23:50.800 --> 00:23:54.420 The thing with practical stuff is it can be very boring. 00:23:54.420 --> 00:23:59.140 So I want to make it practical and playful at the same time because it should feel like 00:23:59.140 --> 00:23:59.440 play. 00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:01.520 It should feel like fun to do your podcast. 00:24:01.520 --> 00:24:05.540 And so reading the book and getting in the Jordan should also feel very fun. 00:24:05.540 --> 00:24:09.700 As far as distribution, I think we will start with something like Gumroad, but we'll need 00:24:09.700 --> 00:24:11.620 to see what their commissions are. 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:13.140 Yeah, 30%. 00:24:13.140 --> 00:24:14.120 30%? 00:24:14.120 --> 00:24:14.880 Yeah. 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:20.620 I think they raised it to like 30% last year and there was a lot of outcry over it. 00:24:20.620 --> 00:24:21.900 Maybe we should look at something else. 00:24:21.900 --> 00:24:23.520 So yeah, we have some time. 00:24:23.520 --> 00:24:25.820 I also looked at Amazon publishing. 00:24:25.820 --> 00:24:32.760 They have, I actually don't understand why, but they have two different ways of getting royalties. 00:24:32.760 --> 00:24:35.440 You can get like 70% or 35%. 00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:38.900 And I don't know why would you get 35% if you can get 70%. 00:24:38.900 --> 00:24:39.760 Can I guess? 00:24:39.760 --> 00:24:40.380 Yeah. 00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:44.700 I think there's probably two different orgs building those two features. 00:24:44.700 --> 00:24:46.160 Oh, right. 00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:47.320 They didn't align. 00:24:47.320 --> 00:24:49.360 Yeah. 00:24:49.360 --> 00:24:50.760 But this is very true, right? 00:24:50.760 --> 00:24:53.300 We are drifting a little bit off, but very quickly. 00:24:53.300 --> 00:24:57.580 Your org hierarchy tends to show up in your products. 00:24:57.580 --> 00:25:03.360 And this is, I think, the truest in Amazon and AWS of all places. 00:25:03.360 --> 00:25:05.160 It's a conveys law. 00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:06.540 Yeah, there is even a law for that. 00:25:06.540 --> 00:25:10.660 It's basically like if you look at any big company's product and look at, 00:25:10.660 --> 00:25:14.240 the menu of items they have on their website or in their application. 00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:15.520 And it doesn't make sense. 00:25:15.520 --> 00:25:18.640 That's because it's owned by different orgs. 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:22.320 And the interface tends to represent the org chart. 00:25:22.320 --> 00:25:25.800 Actually, there is an expression that we use at Amazon in our org. 00:25:25.800 --> 00:25:27.700 I think we call it shipping the org chart. 00:25:28.140 --> 00:25:32.560 And we were saying that we shouldn't ship our org chart, yet we were still doing just that. 00:25:32.560 --> 00:25:34.200 It gets hard. 00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:35.540 I mean, to be fair, right? 00:25:35.540 --> 00:25:39.920 Like these are big teams and working on conflicting priorities. 00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:40.820 And yeah. 00:25:40.820 --> 00:25:41.360 Anyway. 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:44.100 So I looked at Amazon. 00:25:44.100 --> 00:25:50.280 And the thing I didn't like there is that they can sell your stuff at promotional prices, 00:25:50.280 --> 00:25:54.300 including like giving it for $0 at Kindle Unlimited, as far as I understand. 00:25:54.820 --> 00:25:56.960 Without you having any control over it? 00:25:56.960 --> 00:25:58.300 It doesn't sound like it. 00:25:58.300 --> 00:25:59.460 It's not a legal advice. 00:25:59.460 --> 00:26:05.280 But like from my skimming of the very complicated table, it didn't seem like that. 00:26:05.280 --> 00:26:08.860 And they were given some examples like, oh, let's say you save your book for like $5.99. 00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:13.180 And we decided to sell it for like $2.99 for promotional time. 00:26:13.180 --> 00:26:16.340 So your royalty will be like $0.20 per piece. 00:26:16.340 --> 00:26:20.100 And then there are also examples where like your royalty is zero. 00:26:20.100 --> 00:26:26.120 It sounds like it might be a good way to like distribute it very far and wide, 00:26:26.120 --> 00:26:31.560 but may not be efficient in terms of actually getting something out of it. 00:26:31.560 --> 00:26:32.180 Yeah. 00:26:32.180 --> 00:26:35.700 The thing that attracts me with Amazon is that they can also print it for you. 00:26:35.700 --> 00:26:41.020 But then I feel like Amazon, you'll probably get screwed unless you have very large volumes. 00:26:41.020 --> 00:26:46.800 And what I've heard in terms of success stories, I think people who do those like novels. 00:26:46.800 --> 00:26:50.740 So imagine things like Wings of Fire, like the children novels. 00:26:50.740 --> 00:26:52.940 And there are, I don't know how many, like 20 of them. 00:26:52.940 --> 00:26:55.580 And they just come out every few months in one. 00:26:55.580 --> 00:26:58.460 I think if you're in this kind of game where you have, 00:26:58.460 --> 00:27:02.740 like the content is fairly easy to produce as long as you have the right kind of skills and idea. 00:27:02.740 --> 00:27:04.120 And you just keep churning it. 00:27:04.120 --> 00:27:05.840 And lots of kids love it. 00:27:05.840 --> 00:27:08.980 And kind of the new generations of kids grow up and they also buy it. 00:27:08.980 --> 00:27:10.040 You know, it's like saving diapers. 00:27:10.040 --> 00:27:13.000 There are always new babies and you always have to sell diapers, right? 00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:15.380 So maybe it works just because of sheer volume. 00:27:15.380 --> 00:27:18.100 But I don't want to follow that path, at least not yet. 00:27:18.100 --> 00:27:18.920 Yeah. 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:20.880 This is a one-off book anyway. 00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:21.660 Yeah. 00:27:21.660 --> 00:27:26.060 But yeah, I think I'm learning some pretty interesting skills while I'm doing that. 00:27:26.060 --> 00:27:28.340 I'm also reading a couple of books in parallel. 00:27:28.340 --> 00:27:31.780 One is called Make It Clear by Patrick Winston. 00:27:32.740 --> 00:27:35.140 He has a video called How to Write on YouTube. 00:27:35.140 --> 00:27:36.880 It's a one-hour lecture from MIT. 00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:39.460 He's a fascinating communicator. 00:27:39.460 --> 00:27:40.560 Well, I guess he was. 00:27:40.560 --> 00:27:42.940 He passed away, I think, 10 years ago or so. 00:27:42.940 --> 00:27:43.620 Yeah. 00:27:43.620 --> 00:27:48.400 Lots of ideas coming from his book as to what we can apply to ours. 00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:54.660 And also another book that I'm reading is Design is Storytelling by the person whose name I forgot. 00:27:55.220 --> 00:27:59.540 It's also a lot about design, how you make, how you tell a story with the visuals. 00:27:59.540 --> 00:28:02.100 Talking about books, quick detour. 00:28:02.100 --> 00:28:08.860 The two books you suggested over the last couple of months, I'm done with the Apple one, Insanely Simple. 00:28:08.860 --> 00:28:13.680 And the Instagram one I just started, the No Filter book. 00:28:14.040 --> 00:28:16.060 The Insanely Simple one was awesome. 00:28:16.060 --> 00:28:23.540 For bits of it, I felt like, okay, this is going a bit more towards Apple marketing than actual reusable advice. 00:28:23.540 --> 00:28:27.100 But there are so many insights and great advice in the book. 00:28:27.100 --> 00:28:27.780 I loved it. 00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:31.260 Yeah, and just to give it to our listeners a bit of more context. 00:28:31.260 --> 00:28:34.800 So the guy, this guy, I'll say his name escapes me. 00:28:34.800 --> 00:28:41.020 He was a marketing director at the agency that worked with jobs on both Next and Apple. 00:28:41.020 --> 00:28:54.600 And he basically takes the concept of what being simple means and breaks it down in terms of kind of anecdotes and stories from his interactions with jobs and how Apple does marketing, how Apple does product development. 00:28:54.600 --> 00:28:58.780 And it turns out, doing simple things is actually very difficult. 00:28:58.780 --> 00:29:04.020 Because in a big company, you always trend toward making things more complex and more complicated. 00:29:04.020 --> 00:29:07.440 Like we were just talking about the conveys law and shipping the org chart. 00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:08.920 Well, guess what? 00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:13.440 Try to make it different when you have a company of 100,000 people or even more. 00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:15.400 It is very difficult when you're at this scale. 00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:22.960 But Apple somehow is able to make most products such that they feel like they're built by the same company, by the same team. 00:29:23.100 --> 00:29:24.640 Like I was at the Apple store yesterday. 00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:30.120 Everything just seems so, just feels so seamless and connected. 00:29:30.120 --> 00:29:32.020 Okay. 00:29:32.020 --> 00:29:33.740 My dog agrees. 00:29:33.740 --> 00:29:34.960 The dog just barked. 00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:37.660 And I'm not sure if Studio Sound will filter it out or not. 00:29:37.660 --> 00:29:38.960 Yeah, we'll see. 00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:43.680 I think he's also trying to tell us that the recording is going far too long. 00:29:44.040 --> 00:29:46.840 One thing I wanted to also briefly touch on. 00:29:46.840 --> 00:29:50.640 I recently listened to an interview with Mr. Beast. 00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:57.440 And I guess for those of you who are not teenagers and kind of, I guess, older folks. 00:29:57.440 --> 00:29:59.640 Because I had no idea who Mr. Beast was. 00:30:00.020 --> 00:30:03.820 I had heard the name, but I have never seen any of his videos. 00:30:03.820 --> 00:30:04.400 Yeah. 00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:05.560 I discovered him accidentally. 00:30:05.560 --> 00:30:09.500 I think there was some exchange of stuff between him and Elon Musk or something. 00:30:09.500 --> 00:30:10.420 I'm like, okay. 00:30:10.420 --> 00:30:13.080 So, oh, Elon Musk commented on his thing. 00:30:13.080 --> 00:30:14.100 And I'm like, okay. 00:30:14.100 --> 00:30:15.480 So, the guy must be a big deal. 00:30:15.600 --> 00:30:17.760 And then I looked deeper into this. 00:30:17.760 --> 00:30:21.140 I think he has 120 million subscribers on YouTube. 00:30:21.140 --> 00:30:25.740 He's like the most subscribed to creator on YouTube. 00:30:25.740 --> 00:30:31.480 And he does a lot of videos where they like, whatever, destroy houses and they give away a lot of money. 00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:34.040 Insanely successful videos. 00:30:34.040 --> 00:30:35.340 Like, really catchy. 00:30:35.340 --> 00:30:36.900 In the billions of views. 00:30:36.900 --> 00:30:38.460 Like, millions of dollars to produce. 00:30:38.460 --> 00:30:39.760 He's very successful. 00:30:39.760 --> 00:30:42.000 It's just, I guess, not my cup of tea in terms of the content. 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:44.000 I watched one video just out of interest. 00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:51.400 But he himself said that most of his audience, if he were to guess at the average listener, that would be a teenage boy that plays video games. 00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:52.600 That would be his guess. 00:30:52.600 --> 00:30:57.240 So, he was on Lex Friedman podcast a few months ago, I think, or a few weeks ago. 00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:03.700 And it was very interesting to hear how kind of Lex asked him questions and they broke down some of that success. 00:31:03.700 --> 00:31:10.880 One thing that really stood out to me that Mr. Beast said is, like, your first hundred videos are not going to perform well. 00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:12.880 Unless you, like, hit some kind of, like, luck. 00:31:13.280 --> 00:31:16.540 And he hit some kind of, you know, success that's not common. 00:31:16.540 --> 00:31:19.640 So, he said, like, yeah, your first hundred videos will be, like, whatever. 00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:24.180 But when you do every subsequent one, make one thing better. 00:31:24.180 --> 00:31:25.240 Analyze what you do. 00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:26.440 Make that one thing better. 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:27.700 Get into the world. 00:31:27.700 --> 00:31:30.240 Next one, get one thing better, etc. 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:31.800 Keep the good ones. 00:31:31.800 --> 00:31:32.940 Yeah, yeah, obviously. 00:31:32.940 --> 00:31:34.360 Yeah, you keep things at work. 00:31:34.360 --> 00:31:36.020 But then you improve every time. 00:31:36.520 --> 00:31:42.360 And I think I want to apply the same practice to our podcast as much as we can. 00:31:42.360 --> 00:31:48.980 So, I think we already improved our video quite a bit by using the iPhones instead of our webcams. 00:31:48.980 --> 00:31:51.900 And if you check us on YouTube, you will see the difference. 00:31:51.900 --> 00:31:53.640 Well, I mean, there's still quality. 00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:55.180 There is nothing to compare with. 00:31:55.300 --> 00:31:57.140 But the quality is really amazing. 00:31:57.140 --> 00:32:04.100 Also, I think sticking to this schedule, making the episodes shorter, I think, is the thing that we are practicing today. 00:32:04.100 --> 00:32:06.120 So far, we have been successful. 00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:10.880 We're, like, 30 seconds over what we decided we'll record for. 00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:15.280 Yeah, but it will end up a much shorter episode than the normal, like, one hour. 00:32:15.280 --> 00:32:21.920 Yeah, although we had, like, more than half of the topics on our doc we didn't cover. 00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:24.100 So, maybe we'll do it in the next episode. 00:32:24.100 --> 00:32:29.320 And I think for the next one, the improvement that I'll bring is I'll come shave. 00:32:29.320 --> 00:32:31.880 Looking a bit less haggard, I guess. 00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:34.400 I think you're cheating right now. 00:32:35.280 --> 00:32:37.520 Because that's not really an improvement. 00:32:37.520 --> 00:32:40.980 Well, I guess, unless somebody complains. 00:32:40.980 --> 00:32:42.740 Well, it is for me. 00:32:42.740 --> 00:32:43.840 Maybe, yeah. 00:32:43.840 --> 00:32:49.500 Because I'll actually be thinking, what can we do better in terms of maybe the flow? 00:32:49.500 --> 00:32:53.320 Or maybe how we bring the topics, how we tell the stories better. 00:32:53.320 --> 00:32:56.120 So, how do we actually grow as podcasters? 00:32:56.120 --> 00:33:01.280 Yeah, I think, as in most things in life, you can just get better by shaving, you know? 00:33:01.280 --> 00:33:04.760 It's an important first step, man. 00:33:04.760 --> 00:33:05.900 Shaving is a very important tool. 00:33:05.900 --> 00:33:07.480 It might feel you more confident and all that. 00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:08.940 I mean, I don't want to diminish that. 00:33:08.940 --> 00:33:13.260 But what I'm saying is, like, you're not going to get from zero to one by shaving. 00:33:13.260 --> 00:33:15.400 One last thing I want to point out. 00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:22.120 Right behind me, if you're watching us in the video, is a t-shirt, which I decided not to wear today, but I put it on the wall. 00:33:22.120 --> 00:33:23.960 It's a Metacast t-shirt. 00:33:24.060 --> 00:33:25.340 Yeah, the t-shirt that Arna was wearing. 00:33:25.340 --> 00:33:28.820 We produced a couple of those t-shirts for ourselves. 00:33:28.820 --> 00:33:34.300 But if you like our show and if you want to support us, we will publish a link. 00:33:34.300 --> 00:33:36.740 It will be a shop on Teespring. 00:33:36.740 --> 00:33:39.100 And you can buy the t-shirt and support us. 00:33:39.100 --> 00:33:42.620 It will arrive in maybe, I think, two weeks or so is their producing time. 00:33:42.820 --> 00:33:49.600 So, once you order it, they will take the t-shirt, put it in the press, and then this thing will be painted with dye. 00:33:49.600 --> 00:33:53.820 And, yeah, it would be using the PNG that I put on the side. 00:33:53.820 --> 00:33:57.840 And then it will be put in a box or in a pouch, right? 00:33:58.300 --> 00:33:59.940 And send to you wherever you are. 00:33:59.940 --> 00:34:05.400 And you will receive it, unpack it, and you can wear it and proudly display that you're a fan. 00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:06.680 Send us a photo. 00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:09.740 Yes, send us a picture or give it to someone. 00:34:09.740 --> 00:34:16.560 So, yeah, and, you know, obviously, half of the money that you pay will go to Teespring because it takes time to produce and shape and all logistics. 00:34:16.560 --> 00:34:22.500 But for the rest of the profit that we get from this, each of us can buy a coffee. 00:34:22.500 --> 00:34:26.320 It only works at scale. 00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:27.900 It doesn't work at, like, our scale. 00:34:28.300 --> 00:34:36.520 But if you want to support us, it will mean a lot to us just to see some sales, some numbers, and also, yeah, see your pictures, tag us on Instagram or whatever. 00:34:36.520 --> 00:34:39.900 Yeah, show your appreciation that we will really be happy with that. 00:34:39.900 --> 00:34:41.980 Which t-shirts are you putting up? 00:34:41.980 --> 00:34:43.280 The one behind you? 00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.180 Yeah, that's the one that we've been wearing. 00:34:45.180 --> 00:34:48.460 Are you doing the Minor Podcast Celebrities one? 00:34:48.460 --> 00:34:49.480 I love that one. 00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:50.340 Oh, yes. 00:34:50.340 --> 00:34:53.000 Yeah, let's do the Minor Podcast Celebrities one as well. 00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:57.260 So, yeah, actually, we'll put a few of those t-shirts in different colors, too. 00:34:57.520 --> 00:35:00.180 And, yeah, feel free to get whichever one you... 00:35:00.180 --> 00:35:09.100 I think that one was from our episode 17 with Jenny, who is one of our friends and also listener of the show, or was. 00:35:09.100 --> 00:35:11.160 I don't know if she's listening right now. 00:35:11.160 --> 00:35:13.200 If you are, shout out to you, Jenny. 00:35:13.200 --> 00:35:18.420 But she did a hilarious segment calling us Minor Podcast Celebrities. 00:35:18.600 --> 00:35:21.640 So, maybe we should just insert that sound clip right here, too. 00:35:21.640 --> 00:35:25.200 It is probably, like, more of a one-way connection going on. 00:35:25.200 --> 00:35:29.760 But it is fun to, you know, listen to Minor Podcast Celebrities who I know. 00:35:32.100 --> 00:35:36.720 And we can post a picture of that t-shirt in our sub stack. 00:35:36.720 --> 00:35:40.380 So, if you haven't checked our show notes, yeah, just click on that link. 00:35:40.380 --> 00:35:42.220 There will be a picture. 00:35:42.220 --> 00:35:48.680 Oh, by the way, one thing I started doing also as of a couple of episodes ago, as of episode 24, I think I started doing that. 00:35:48.680 --> 00:35:50.000 That was one of the improvements. 00:35:50.420 --> 00:35:54.560 I added chapters, timestamps, and the topics that we were discussing. 00:35:54.560 --> 00:35:59.940 So, YouTube actually magically picks those up from the description and processes them. 00:35:59.940 --> 00:36:01.580 Oh, from the description? Cool. 00:36:01.580 --> 00:36:02.220 From description, yeah. 00:36:02.220 --> 00:36:04.580 I thought you had to do it manually, but no, it just takes it from description. 00:36:04.580 --> 00:36:05.900 It's really, really convenient. 00:36:05.900 --> 00:36:08.680 I don't think any podcasting apps do this. 00:36:08.680 --> 00:36:14.060 I think for podcasts, the RSS spec has, like, you have a specific format you need to put that in. 00:36:14.060 --> 00:36:14.760 Oh, man, okay. 00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:16.260 So, but it doesn't do it automatically. 00:36:16.260 --> 00:36:17.820 Yeah, I don't think so. 00:36:17.820 --> 00:36:19.580 Which is, I think, a fixable problem. 00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:23.400 And we can talk about that in our next episode. 00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:26.120 Yeah, along with other things we're fixing. 00:36:26.120 --> 00:36:27.120 Yes. 00:36:27.120 --> 00:36:27.500 Yeah. 00:36:27.500 --> 00:36:37.020 Oh, by the way, if you are still here, after all of our self-congratulatory and pushing commercial stuff on you in the last 30 minutes, 00:36:37.020 --> 00:36:44.500 tell us what podcasting app you use and what you are happy about in that app and what you are unhappy about in that app. 00:36:44.500 --> 00:36:47.360 So, yeah, we can do a little user research here. 00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:49.140 So, yeah, just send us an email. 00:36:49.420 --> 00:36:52.900 Just a couple of lines, you know, what you like in your app, what you don't like in your app. 00:36:52.900 --> 00:36:54.120 What do you think could be better? 00:36:54.120 --> 00:36:55.300 Give us some ideas. 00:36:55.300 --> 00:36:57.120 I mean, not that we don't have ideas. 00:36:57.120 --> 00:37:00.660 We have lots of ideas for how to solve some of those problems. 00:37:00.660 --> 00:37:05.080 But we want to validate that those problems exist beyond our own imagination. 00:37:05.080 --> 00:37:14.000 And if you don't have time to write down all of those things in an email, but you would much rather prefer like a 15-30 minute chat, let us know. 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:16.220 We'll be happy to sit down, chat about that too. 00:37:16.460 --> 00:37:19.940 And maybe even we'll show you what we're doing. 00:37:19.940 --> 00:37:21.500 Yes, ahead of time. 00:37:21.500 --> 00:37:22.320 Yeah. 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:23.180 Cool. 00:37:23.180 --> 00:37:23.920 Yeah. 00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:27.920 Also, if you feel like sending us a voicemail, how do people do that? 00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:30.020 Who doesn't like sending voicemails, right? 00:37:30.620 --> 00:37:30.980 Yeah. 00:37:30.980 --> 00:37:32.760 Speak your voicemail after the beep. 00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:38.820 I mean, I think you can record like an audio note in your phone and just email it. 00:37:38.820 --> 00:37:40.220 And then we can play it. 00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:48.200 So if you want your stuff, you saying something, be played on our podcast, then you can send us something brief like a voicemail. 00:37:48.200 --> 00:37:49.860 You can just play it here. 00:37:49.860 --> 00:37:51.140 All right. 00:37:51.140 --> 00:37:56.980 And with that, I think we are seven minutes over time in terms of what we decided to record. 00:37:56.980 --> 00:37:58.540 And let's go to date. 00:37:58.540 --> 00:37:59.900 All right. 00:37:59.900 --> 00:38:00.400 Thank you. 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:01.260 This was awesome. 00:38:01.260 --> 00:38:02.360 See you next time. 00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:03.220 Thank you. 00:38:03.220 --> 00:38:03.900 See you next week. 00:38:03.900 --> 00:38:03.900 Bye.