WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.000 I just realized how much I forgot to get out of tires. You have to be around other people all over time. Sometimes I just want to be three. 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:29.980 I got one myself. If you're going to office two, three times a week, you're having meetings or like talking to people by the end of the day. When you're sitting in that bus or train to come back home, you're like white south. Hello and welcome to the Metacast Behind the scenes podcast. I'm your host, Ilea Bestilif. 00:00:29.980 --> 00:00:31.980 I'm Arnabdeca. 00:00:31.980 --> 00:00:42.979 First things first, we're back. We haven't been on air for over a month at this point. Maybe for those who forgot who we were, let's remind them who we are. 00:00:42.979 --> 00:00:45.979 Arna, what is the cool thing that you're working on? 00:00:45.979 --> 00:00:56.979 We are building. At this point it feels weird to say building. It's pretty much built. There's a lot of things to add, but it's pretty usable. People are using it excitedly. 00:00:56.979 --> 00:01:04.978 What is it? Oh, it's an app. It's a podcast app. I like any podcast app you've ever seen. 00:01:04.978 --> 00:01:18.978 Yeah, it's called Metacast. If you are like someone I know who pinged me today, don't search for it in Apple App Store just yet because we are in Open Beta. You need to go to our website metacast.app. 00:01:18.980 --> 00:01:34.980 Our shiny new all dark mode website. Oh my god, this website is so beautiful. So yeah, even if you are not in the market for the new podcast app, just go to the metacast.app website just to appreciate the beauty of the new website that our 00:01:34.980 --> 00:01:46.980 big tour and slash contractor Jack built for us and we'll talk about that maybe in the next episode. We'll briefly talk about it in today's episode, but we'll actually have Jack on our show sometime soon in one of the upcoming episodes. Yes. 00:01:46.980 --> 00:01:56.980 One thing that I think we could be doing better, more organically is talking about Metacast in the course of the recording so it's more like product placement. 00:01:56.980 --> 00:02:06.980 And then place the podcast back in the app as ads. Great full circle. Before we drift too far, can you tell us what we're going to talk about today in this episode? 00:02:06.980 --> 00:02:17.979 Yes, so this episode will be just a massive update on what we've been up to in the last one and a half months or so because you know, the things we're going on, I was sick for quite a while. 00:02:17.979 --> 00:02:27.979 We were busy scoding quite a lot of things will give you an update and we met up all of us in Florida. So that was cool. We'll talk about all that today. 00:02:27.979 --> 00:02:39.979 So I think it all started in early May. I think we published the last episode early March. You mean early March? Yes. Yeah. And then we get the rerun, but it doesn't count. We actually haven't recorded anything for almost two months now. 00:02:39.979 --> 00:02:50.979 My wife was out and then my kid got sick and I got sick with him and then he got better, but I got sick again. And then it took me a while to recover also after my wife came back. 00:02:50.979 --> 00:03:00.979 I was just so derailed on the physical front, but also I think I was just so stressed. Yeah, and we I think wanted to record something, but then you were coming to Florida. 00:03:00.979 --> 00:03:09.979 We were like, okay, let's do it while you're in Florida, but when you were in Florida, we'll go, we don't have enough time for this. Let's focus on something that doesn't require in-person presence. 00:03:09.979 --> 00:03:18.979 So we just kept postponing it and we kind of fell out of routine for recording a podcast. So I'm actually so happy now to be back. 00:03:18.979 --> 00:03:25.979 Podcast recording feel almost therapeutic to me. I love them. You feel like Arnold Schwarzenegger. I'm back, baby. 00:03:25.979 --> 00:03:38.979 Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah. I thought there's a door-nope Schwarzenegger. And for those of you who don't get the inside joke, so Arnold's name is pronounced as Dornob. That is the... 00:03:38.979 --> 00:03:48.979 Even now, like when I play tennis, for example, that's when I meet the most strangers nowadays. Some people have a hard time like trying to hear or say my name. 00:03:48.979 --> 00:03:57.979 So I kind of like take that easy way and say, okay, think Dornob and then now just cut that first part out. It's or not. It's exactly like that. 00:03:57.979 --> 00:04:00.979 Yeah. For me, people often ask me to spell my name. 00:04:00.979 --> 00:04:03.979 Your name is one of the easiest Russian names I've ever heard. 00:04:03.979 --> 00:04:09.979 Yeah. But when people hear Illia, I don't know, maybe it's Florida. Maybe people don't travel much here. 00:04:09.979 --> 00:04:15.979 People really struggle with the name for some reason. Maybe they've not heard it before, because they've not heard about Illia, 00:04:15.979 --> 00:04:21.980 or the opening eye guy. So I was out of this circle and maybe they don't get much exposure to these names. 00:04:21.980 --> 00:04:31.980 But sometimes they say, Elliot, and if it's like a coffee shop environment, I just like the applied gym, whatever they call me, because it takes a longer to spell my name than to say yes. 00:04:31.980 --> 00:04:39.980 Right, right. Sometimes that does happen to me, like Arnold or something like that. Arnold Schwarzenegger. 00:04:39.980 --> 00:04:45.980 Exactly. Back to where we started this drift away from. So let's get back into the episode. 00:04:45.980 --> 00:04:48.980 Yeah. So maybe let's work backwards from... 00:04:48.980 --> 00:04:51.980 All right. Last week. 00:04:51.980 --> 00:04:55.980 So for those of you who are just listening, Arnold just turned his back on everybody. 00:04:55.980 --> 00:04:57.980 I'm working backwards. 00:04:57.980 --> 00:05:00.980 All right. 00:05:00.980 --> 00:05:04.980 Yeah. So when were you here for the offside? Was it last week, no, it was two weeks ago? 00:05:04.980 --> 00:05:10.980 It was, yeah, it's almost two weeks ago, no, April 10th or so. Yeah. 00:05:10.980 --> 00:05:20.980 So we really value being removed and working remotely, everybody in their own then working on their own time, and you'll be their own family, kids and all that in between. 00:05:20.980 --> 00:05:27.980 But every now and then we do want to meet up. And I think last time Arnold and I met was in... 00:05:27.980 --> 00:05:28.980 August. 00:05:28.980 --> 00:05:30.980 When you came over here to Vancouver? 00:05:30.980 --> 00:05:35.980 Yeah. It was a beautiful Vancouver. You took into Vancouver Island. It was absolutely gorgeous. 00:05:35.980 --> 00:05:39.980 Great time. We also launched our close beta back then when I was there. 00:05:39.980 --> 00:05:44.980 And you met with a lot of people here who were all interested in your life and everything. 00:05:44.980 --> 00:05:47.980 So it was pretty interesting. Yeah. 00:05:47.980 --> 00:05:53.980 It was fascinating. I think we have an episode on this where I should release into this because that will sure to bring nice memories. 00:05:53.980 --> 00:05:57.980 That's one of the reasons why we're doing this podcast is so we can bring up the memories when we need them. 00:05:57.980 --> 00:06:03.980 So yeah, but Jenny started in October. Jenny's our senior engineer. We never met her in person after we started the company. 00:06:03.980 --> 00:06:05.980 We worked together for a long time. 00:06:05.980 --> 00:06:11.980 Ilya, Jenny and I worked together between 2018 and 2020. I think all three of us worked together. 00:06:11.980 --> 00:06:14.980 But I worked with Jenny before and after that too. 00:06:14.980 --> 00:06:18.980 And I worked with you before, but not with Jenny at the same time. 00:06:18.980 --> 00:06:22.980 So we work in person for quite a bit together. So it's not like we're strangers. 00:06:22.980 --> 00:06:27.980 But I think stars align such that Jenny was here for a school break. 00:06:27.980 --> 00:06:36.980 And I was here because I live here. And Arnab was like, yeah, why don't I jump on a plane and just come over and visit you both while we are in the same place, right? 00:06:36.980 --> 00:06:39.980 Yeah. So we spent I think you came on Wednesday evening. 00:06:39.980 --> 00:06:43.980 The flight was delayed as it so often happens nowadays. 00:06:43.980 --> 00:06:50.980 And instead of reaching at 5.30 pm, I think I was supposed to reach there at 10.30 or so. 00:06:50.980 --> 00:06:53.980 Yeah, at least the flight reached that night. 00:06:53.980 --> 00:06:56.980 And which fabulous luxury airline was it? 00:06:56.980 --> 00:07:01.980 That was American Airlines. I'm even forgetting the name now probably for a good reason. 00:07:01.980 --> 00:07:03.980 Oh, it wasn't the experience? 00:07:03.980 --> 00:07:08.980 No. Spirit was the one I took out from Miami to fly to New York. 00:07:08.980 --> 00:07:15.980 That actually went super smooth before time. It was way better than the American Airlines experience. 00:07:15.980 --> 00:07:19.980 And you had to pay almost like the price of the ticket fare for the bag. 00:07:19.980 --> 00:07:28.980 The reason I chose spirit for this short flight from Miami to New York short by my standards because I'm flying from the west coast like this is a long flight usually, right? 00:07:28.980 --> 00:07:33.980 So Miami to New York is I think about two and a half hours. It was anyway. 00:07:33.980 --> 00:07:39.980 So that was $75, which is like the cheapest flight ticket you could probably find. 00:07:39.980 --> 00:07:45.980 But when I was checking in, I found out that I'm not checking in bags. I'm not taking check bags. 00:07:45.980 --> 00:07:50.980 I'm just bringing my backpack and one small bag with me cabin luggage. 00:07:50.980 --> 00:07:56.980 But I had to pay for those. It was like $85, which is $10 more than the flight cost. 00:07:56.980 --> 00:08:00.980 So I was still in good spirit because it was on time. 00:08:00.980 --> 00:08:01.980 You deserve spirits on board? 00:08:01.980 --> 00:08:04.980 Oh, no, that's not that kind of airline. 00:08:04.980 --> 00:08:06.980 It's not a free spirit airline. 00:08:06.980 --> 00:08:10.980 Maybe it's actually a free spirit because I think spirit airlines could use as a face of capitalism. 00:08:10.980 --> 00:08:13.980 You pay for everything. Yes, kind of just purging, I think. 00:08:13.980 --> 00:08:17.980 Anyway, so Thursday we worked together all three of us Friday. 00:08:17.980 --> 00:08:22.980 It was just two of us and then Saturday we had fun and Sunday morning you flew to New York. 00:08:22.980 --> 00:08:26.980 So yeah, let's just give some context. It was just three days for the thing that we had. 00:08:26.980 --> 00:08:33.980 But we fixed one of the most perplexing issues that we have been having because we could not reproduce it. 00:08:33.980 --> 00:08:40.980 Yeah, so we had a problem where the phone was heating up while listening. 00:08:40.980 --> 00:08:44.980 So it first it was happening on iOS, which we noticed because we are using iOS. 00:08:44.980 --> 00:08:50.980 But then one of our users reported on Android and actually then another user also piled up. 00:08:50.980 --> 00:08:54.980 He's like, oh, it's heating up on my phone as well. And then genuinely just the two. 00:08:54.980 --> 00:08:56.980 And battery is draining. 00:08:56.980 --> 00:09:00.980 I think we fixed it on iOS. I think it was a very quick fix, right? 00:09:00.980 --> 00:09:04.980 But on Android, we couldn't find a way to reproduce it properly. 00:09:04.980 --> 00:09:07.980 Or like, couldn't isolate it, couldn't profile it. We just didn't know what was going on. 00:09:07.980 --> 00:09:11.980 We were like, how do we launch this? But also like we don't know how to fix it. 00:09:11.980 --> 00:09:15.980 I almost felt helpless in some ways. And I just let you guys figure it out. 00:09:15.980 --> 00:09:19.980 When all three of us were here, well, I would say rather the two of you were here. 00:09:19.980 --> 00:09:23.980 And you just started discussing it on the couch in the living room. 00:09:23.980 --> 00:09:27.980 And then the thing we didn't have an hour or so, you had to have a lot of this. 00:09:27.980 --> 00:09:31.980 And then you tested it and we sent it to a user and it was all solved. 00:09:31.980 --> 00:09:36.980 So I don't know if you want to talk a little bit about the actual underlying issue in the terms that humans can understand. 00:09:36.980 --> 00:09:48.980 Let's not go too deep, but basically a library that we are using to play the audio back using the OS's native mechanisms. 00:09:48.980 --> 00:09:54.980 It had a feature enabled by default, which is generally a good feature. 00:09:54.980 --> 00:10:02.980 Like I'm trying not to go too much into that weeds of what exactly it was and all because I think explaining HTTP tunneling and all that will. 00:10:02.980 --> 00:10:12.980 I think I can take a stab at this. It had a feature that was attempting to make our app more secure in the way that it doesn't necessarily have to be more secure. 00:10:12.980 --> 00:10:16.980 Yeah, it doesn't really apply to our like a podcast app. 00:10:16.980 --> 00:10:19.980 Yeah, there are probably other use cases where it makes sense for us. It didn't. 00:10:19.980 --> 00:10:23.980 But it was doing all this extra work and it was causing the phone to hit up and all that. 00:10:23.980 --> 00:10:29.980 So I think we were sort of lucky that we actually don't need that feature and we just started off. 00:10:29.980 --> 00:10:33.980 Yeah, and stop this HTTP proxying tunneling through whatever. 00:10:33.980 --> 00:10:41.980 I think our battery usage went down. I'm trying to remember one third or we were just a mega scientific benchmark. 00:10:41.980 --> 00:10:48.980 Yes. With timers and whatnot on multiple phones streaming downloaded. Yes. 00:10:48.980 --> 00:10:57.980 Yeah, we were like basically starting something to play for like 20 minutes and then measuring on the timer and just seeing the system battery information. 00:10:57.980 --> 00:11:02.980 How much battery was consumed? Well, I guess it was scientific in terms of like we were making measurements. 00:11:02.980 --> 00:11:06.980 But also the other things could have been happening at the same time too. 00:11:06.980 --> 00:11:15.980 But what we noticed is the battery usage went down by half and it was also at the same level as Spotify and YouTube music, which we used as benchmark. 00:11:15.980 --> 00:11:24.980 And there was no difference to the temperature like if you touch the phone because before that you could definitely feel that it was warming up. 00:11:24.980 --> 00:11:32.980 Even though we could never see the kind of draining or heat that our users were reporting, you could feel that it's getting lukewarm. 00:11:32.980 --> 00:11:39.980 That's our relationship with Android as users right lukewarm. 00:11:39.980 --> 00:11:45.980 But yes, we never thought of Android being super hot, but they made us feel this way because they were hot to the touch. 00:11:45.980 --> 00:11:48.980 So we made them cool again. 00:11:48.980 --> 00:11:56.980 It's pretty t-shirt rather I guess hats, right like those trump hats, but replace America with Android. 00:11:56.980 --> 00:12:07.980 Yeah, just wanted to close that saying that I don't think this is something we would have figured out as quickly if we were not putting the same kind of energy all together at the same time. 00:12:07.980 --> 00:12:12.980 Because we had known about this issue for like two, three weeks at this point, right? 00:12:12.980 --> 00:12:14.980 I think it's more like two, three months at this point. 00:12:14.980 --> 00:12:24.980 But I think the person who reported to us, he said, okay, I can't use the app anymore because it's just going insane hot and it's draining the battery. 00:12:24.980 --> 00:12:28.980 They stopped using it a few weeks before this I think. 00:12:28.980 --> 00:12:31.980 So we knew, okay, this is a pressing issue. We need to fix it. 00:12:31.980 --> 00:12:38.980 But I think just something about being in person, talking about it all through running all these experiments with timers and all. 00:12:38.980 --> 00:12:44.980 I think clicked the problem and the solution, yeah, was great. 00:12:44.980 --> 00:12:49.980 Another thing we did was to go through our subscriptions tech. 00:12:49.980 --> 00:12:58.980 So we are using revenue cut to implement subscriptions, subscriptions being monthly or annual subscriptions that people pay to use the app, which currently they don't in open beta. 00:12:58.980 --> 00:13:01.980 But we are setting this up right now as we go. 00:13:01.980 --> 00:13:11.980 The setup is pretty convoluted because you have to set up your plans and whatever subscriptions they even use different terminology Apple versus Google slightly different terminology, slightly different structure. 00:13:11.980 --> 00:13:17.980 You have to set up those products, you have to set up things like free trials, the discounts, all of that stuff. 00:13:17.980 --> 00:13:23.980 They're all very separate and unique quirks in the UI of both tools, I would say. 00:13:23.980 --> 00:13:27.980 And I would say actually for this particular thing, I like Google's UI more than Apple's. 00:13:27.980 --> 00:13:32.980 Once you understand it, it's not as complicated. First time it's just overwhelming. 00:13:32.980 --> 00:13:38.980 Because you have to understand the terminology. If you create something with certain ID, you cannot reuse the same ID later. 00:13:38.980 --> 00:13:42.980 So if you make a mistake, you have to use a different ID later on. 00:13:42.980 --> 00:13:46.980 I don't know, it's just a complicated process. So which I was figuring out on my own. 00:13:46.980 --> 00:13:55.980 And when you guys came here, basically, we set in the living room couch, projected using awesome airplay technology to a very big screen. 00:13:55.980 --> 00:13:58.980 Basically, like in the meeting room, looking at the screen together, which was pretty nice. 00:13:58.980 --> 00:14:03.980 Yeah, we walked through all of the Apple setup, Google setup, revenue cut setup. 00:14:03.980 --> 00:14:09.980 I think we were able to immediately fix, basically our app had an interface with the revenue cut. 00:14:09.980 --> 00:14:15.980 And things weren't coming out there, coming up. And then we modified the data on the revenue cut side or Apple side. 00:14:15.980 --> 00:14:21.980 And then it started working. It's something that we could have done individually, but it was more fun to do in the meeting room. 00:14:21.980 --> 00:14:41.980 I think before this, we had also set up some of this individually already, but the difference is, without this in person hangout and discussing and seeing all these things to you, it was clear where and how the pricing is set in Apple and in Google and how that's connected to revenue cut. 00:14:41.980 --> 00:14:52.980 To me, it was clear how do we call revenue cut APIs and which APIs we call, why do we need to call what and what information we'll see and how do we present to the user. 00:14:52.980 --> 00:15:04.980 But I was completely in the blind about where is all this actually configured and you and Jenny didn't know about what are we actually using to show and run the subscriptions and all. 00:15:04.980 --> 00:15:14.980 I think this is one of the most critical parts of that in some ways, like it's the part that we'll ensure that we're able to charge for subscriptions. 00:15:14.980 --> 00:15:20.980 And we talked a lot about various failure scenarios, fraud scenarios and all that. 00:15:20.980 --> 00:15:31.980 This is nowhere in the realm of Amazon and Google scales, but at least in our scale, like we talked about a lot of various scenarios that this could go wrong. 00:15:31.980 --> 00:15:37.980 That was pretty cool. I think that would have taken a lot of time remote if we were trying to do that. 00:15:37.980 --> 00:15:41.980 I don't think we did much else that day. We ate together twice. 00:15:41.980 --> 00:15:47.980 We had lunch at home and then we went for a couple of beers and food in the evening, just three of us. 00:15:47.980 --> 00:15:57.980 We pretty much set up the web, oh, we didn't launch the website until the Monday after, but we had pretty much working at that point. 00:15:57.980 --> 00:16:03.980 And I was working on setting up a blog post, which will launch soon in the next few weeks, I think. 00:16:03.980 --> 00:16:07.980 So yeah, it was very nice, very productive time together, but also very unproductive time. 00:16:07.980 --> 00:16:13.980 It's interesting. I had so much realization there because like when I was visiting you, it was just two of us. 00:16:13.980 --> 00:16:21.980 I feel like there is less overhead when it's just two people. When you have three people, it just starts to feel more like actually working as a team. 00:16:21.980 --> 00:16:26.980 I don't know, there's something different about it. When it's just one person, you just say like, oh, I don't feel like working now. 00:16:26.980 --> 00:16:32.980 And you just retreat to your room or whatever. But also I was visiting you. So you had other things to do. 00:16:32.980 --> 00:16:37.980 But I think the two of you came to my house. So it's not like everybody can just go off and do something else. 00:16:37.980 --> 00:16:40.980 We sort of are supposed to be with you together and doing something, right? 00:16:40.980 --> 00:16:45.980 And maybe also for me as a host, maybe I've also felt you know, some kind of obligation. 00:16:45.980 --> 00:17:02.980 So I think that there is a difference in, for example, you or Jenny coming here and us working versus us coming to your place and working or us going to Jenny's place and working there because as the host, you have other things like your life is not on pause at that moment. 00:17:02.980 --> 00:17:10.980 Like your kids are there, you're cooking and your whatever dishes, everything else is going on versus for me and for Jenny. 00:17:10.980 --> 00:17:21.980 Jenny was there for one day. I was there for like three days. There was nothing else to do. So I was like waking up working and basically like sometimes read a book or something and then go to sleep. 00:17:21.980 --> 00:17:30.980 So there was literally nothing else to do for me. So I really enjoyed it. For example, here, there's always things to do here outside of work. 00:17:30.980 --> 00:17:42.980 And I think about the dynamic, I liked it that the three of us were together. So when we're discussing something, there's always new kinds of questions or topics we would go on attention on. 00:17:42.980 --> 00:17:50.980 And I felt like this is really cool, but also we can't continue like that forever because we'll get nothing done. 00:17:50.980 --> 00:18:07.980 And it's like in office, I mean, you can just hang out, it's still get paid right? I had very, I wouldn't say mixed feelings. I really loved the working in person, but I also realized that the ratio should be maybe 90 to 10, 90% you work on your own with occasional things. 00:18:07.980 --> 00:18:16.980 And then 10% would be good. Like if we were living in the same city, for example, it would be nice to meet maybe four day every two weeks, which would be like one or 10 days, 9 to 10. 00:18:16.980 --> 00:18:29.980 Right now, given we live in like different countries and like spread out across the globe, I feel like maybe twice a year at max is the practically what we could do. And that's good enough actually. 00:18:29.980 --> 00:18:33.980 But ideally, maybe once a quarter or so, that would be nice. 00:18:33.980 --> 00:18:40.980 And I just realized how much I forgot just how tired someone could be to be around other people all over the time. 00:18:40.980 --> 00:18:49.980 And again, I don't mean it in a bad way. It's just a different kind of environment. Also, I haven't been working with people like that for four years at this point after COVID, right? 00:18:49.980 --> 00:19:00.980 I traveled to the Google's office for a few days, a few times. And I remember being tired there, but actually I didn't attribute it to working with people. I attribute it to just like a travel and jet lag and dehydration. 00:19:00.980 --> 00:19:07.980 And there's a bunch of things piled up together when you travel. But now I was at home. And I just realized actually sometimes I just want to retreat. 00:19:07.980 --> 00:19:26.980 I automatically myself. Yeah. I think many of our listeners would probably feel this or at least know it themselves. Like if you're going to office two, three times a week and you're having meetings or like talking to people by the end of the day, when you're sitting in that bus or train to come back home, you're like wiped out. 00:19:26.980 --> 00:19:38.980 Yeah. Right. And you could just go home and like do nothing for the next two hours. That is a real thing, right? Like the commute and you're thinking and you're talking to people the whole time, it takes a lot of energy out of you. 00:19:38.980 --> 00:19:52.980 I was contrasting that with how our days go nowadays, where we have maybe one sort twice a week, some meetings and stuff like that, recordings, things like that. Well, not in the last month, but usually. 00:19:52.980 --> 00:20:06.980 But other than that, we're like on our own working, talking through like pull requests or code reviews or slack once in a while. And I almost never seem to get tired at the end of the day. Like at night, I'm like, oh, I still want to do this. 00:20:06.980 --> 00:20:19.980 And I'm also excited because it's my own personal work at this point. But I'm excited to like just keep going and going. Actually, I agree with you. I think I only get really tired from working when I do maybe like, I guess podcast work is probably the most tiresome thing. 00:20:19.980 --> 00:20:32.980 Not recording because it's just a lot of this manual, minial tasks where you like create a page, you write notes, you create an episode, you like upload the file. All these things. I just feel like, can somebody else do this for me please? 00:20:32.980 --> 00:20:43.980 I mean, the eventually we will pay someone to do it. But for now, I'm doing this and it doesn't even take this much time. Maybe takes two or three hours total. But it just drains the hell out of me. Maybe just because I don't like doing it. 00:20:43.980 --> 00:21:00.980 I feel like podcast recording for some reason takes a lot of energy. I love it. And I'm completely like in the moment, like right now, I'm smiling and I'm enjoying it. But I know once we are done, I'll be like, oh my God, I feel like I can't focus on other things after that. At least for a few hours. 00:21:00.980 --> 00:21:01.980 Yeah. 00:21:01.980 --> 00:21:19.980 Right. So just to close this off before you took off from Florida, what amazing wildlife did you see in the Everglades National Park? Yeah, we went on a night alligator cruise on one of those airboats. I think there are some Hollywood movies where you go on those kind of boats. 00:21:19.980 --> 00:21:32.980 So for people who don't know what an airboat is, it's basically, it's just like regular boat with a fan tattooed in the back. And I don't know about this particular boat, but I remember the first time I took this tour, they were talking actually about the boat itself. 00:21:32.980 --> 00:21:46.980 That boat had two, if I'm not mistaken, 650 horsepower Rolls Royce fans, basically engines, right? Like propellers, it's crazy powerful. It goes really, really fast. It's very loud. But it doesn't have water in the water. 00:21:46.980 --> 00:22:05.980 There's nothing moving under water so that it doesn't hurt the wildlife and also it doesn't get stuck in the grass. Florida, like that area that we were in South Florida, that's swampy kind of area. There isn't enough bottom in there. It's not deep enough to let a conventional boat with that kind of structure to let actually go there. 00:22:05.980 --> 00:22:16.980 So as a assimilated Florigen, I'm going to take offense now because, yeah, people call the Everglades as swamp, but it is actually a river. It is, I think, like, largest square meters river or something. 00:22:16.980 --> 00:22:23.980 Oh, yeah, yeah, no, I've heard about it. But you know what I mean? Like, there's grass all around. There isn't much depth to it. 00:22:23.980 --> 00:22:27.980 Did you say it was like two feet or something? It's like half a meter deep. It's very shallow. 00:22:27.980 --> 00:22:30.980 Yeah, I think he said one and a half meters or something. 00:22:30.980 --> 00:22:35.980 They don't talk meters here. Okay, so maybe one and a half feet. Yeah, it was very shallow. 00:22:35.980 --> 00:22:40.980 And actually, all the water that we drink, all the water that you drink when you came here came from that swamp. 00:22:40.980 --> 00:22:45.980 I don't mean swamp in a bad way. I mean, that's the kind of ecological ecosystem. 00:22:45.980 --> 00:22:52.980 I know, it's just like if you talk to a person who is from San Francisco, if you call their city Frisco, they get offended. 00:22:52.980 --> 00:22:54.980 Oh, they do? I didn't know that. Good to know. 00:22:54.980 --> 00:23:00.980 They could be, you know, they could be offended by you call it the National Park as swamp. 00:23:00.980 --> 00:23:05.980 Not the kind of swamp with ogres, but with alligators. Super cool. Yeah. 00:23:05.980 --> 00:23:12.980 And I think going there at night was even cooler because it was so silent. 00:23:12.980 --> 00:23:17.980 It was like beautiful stars. I was pointing out to your son and your son. 00:23:17.980 --> 00:23:24.980 You were a lot of the constellations and the stars and all that. So we were talking about that. He did. I had no idea. He knows that. 00:23:24.980 --> 00:23:30.980 Yeah, yeah, yeah, like the Great Bear and the Orion, the belt and all that. It was beautiful. 00:23:30.980 --> 00:23:37.980 And silent, you could hear all the cicadas, frogs, ginormous frogs. Like you couldn't see the frogs, 00:23:37.980 --> 00:23:42.980 but the sound they were making, you know, they're okay. This is like a bull frog big one. 00:23:42.980 --> 00:23:47.980 The only thing you could not hear there is crocodiles because they're not crocodiles in every place. 00:23:47.980 --> 00:23:52.980 Yeah, but alligators, they're also there so silent. Actually, they don't make any noises unless they are in the grass. 00:23:52.980 --> 00:23:54.980 And the grass makes noise, not the alligator. 00:23:54.980 --> 00:23:58.980 And some of the alligators were pretty curious about the boat, too. 00:23:58.980 --> 00:24:03.980 So they would like come in to take a look about what's going on. Is there some food in there? 00:24:03.980 --> 00:24:07.980 But thankfully nobody like launched into it. Yeah. Yeah. 00:24:07.980 --> 00:24:13.980 So I flew out on Saturday and on Monday or Tuesday we launched our website. 00:24:13.980 --> 00:24:15.980 That was pretty cool. 00:24:15.980 --> 00:24:21.980 We talked in one of the previous episodes that back in October, I want to say, October November. 00:24:21.980 --> 00:24:28.980 A person named Jack sent us a very thoughtful email. He's like, hey, I'm graduating from, I think it's Purdue University. 00:24:28.980 --> 00:24:32.980 We did degree in design, HLG, I actually forgot what it was. 00:24:32.980 --> 00:24:37.980 Yeah, human computer interfacing something in that area, yeah, HCI. 00:24:37.980 --> 00:24:42.980 So he's like, yeah, can I do some work for you for free? And we were like, sure. 00:24:42.980 --> 00:24:47.980 Come on board, do some work for us for free. So he did some design work for us for the app. 00:24:47.980 --> 00:24:52.980 But then we also did a small contract with him to build our first version of the website. 00:24:52.980 --> 00:24:59.980 He actually did the code and in the design, obviously, the website was more or less really a couple of weeks ago. 00:24:59.980 --> 00:25:04.980 And we just needed a few final tweaks, kind of switch over the DNS and all that. 00:25:04.980 --> 00:25:06.980 Yeah, and we launched it last week. 00:25:06.980 --> 00:25:10.980 And we will also have Jack on the podcast to talk about his experience. 00:25:10.980 --> 00:25:13.980 Actually, I'm curious, but his experience isn't in turn working with us. 00:25:13.980 --> 00:25:16.980 What is the stack that we chose for the website? 00:25:16.980 --> 00:25:21.980 So we chose next JS and we decided to put it on versatile. 00:25:21.980 --> 00:25:27.980 Next JS is, if people have heard about React, then next JS is an evolution from there. 00:25:27.980 --> 00:25:32.980 You could say you could do server components like React server components and all that. 00:25:32.980 --> 00:25:37.980 And on versatile, it all just works point and click style. 00:25:37.980 --> 00:25:40.980 You don't have to configure anything manually and all that. 00:25:40.980 --> 00:25:43.980 So chose to go with the simplest thing possible. 00:25:43.980 --> 00:25:50.980 Yeah, I really like you just push the commit and you get the message from versatile that it's deployed to preview within. 00:25:50.980 --> 00:25:54.980 I think usually it happens within a minute seconds, maybe seconds. 00:25:54.980 --> 00:25:57.980 Yeah, probably takes longer to view it to Slack. 00:25:57.980 --> 00:26:01.980 You can check out the website, the preview in a different website authenticated. 00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:02.980 It's pretty cool. 00:26:02.980 --> 00:26:07.980 Yeah, then you like approve the PR and it's like live within seconds. I love it. 00:26:07.980 --> 00:26:11.980 It was also very easy to port over the DNS records. 00:26:11.980 --> 00:26:13.980 I really enjoyed the experience. 00:26:13.980 --> 00:26:17.980 Changing the DNS records usually involves some disruption because there's some propagation time. 00:26:17.980 --> 00:26:21.980 This time, I remember I had a split window with two tabs open. 00:26:21.980 --> 00:26:24.980 I was on the left hand and Google domains on the right hand. 00:26:24.980 --> 00:26:28.980 And I changed the IP address in the DNS record, A record in Google domains. 00:26:28.980 --> 00:26:29.980 It's safe. 00:26:29.980 --> 00:26:32.980 And then within a few seconds, versatile updated. 00:26:32.980 --> 00:26:34.980 I'm like, wow. 00:26:34.980 --> 00:26:36.980 And it said, okay, all the configuration is great. 00:26:36.980 --> 00:26:38.980 Yeah, it was so quick. I really loved it. 00:26:38.980 --> 00:26:40.980 And we are playing what? 20 bucks per month for it. 00:26:40.980 --> 00:26:42.980 So yeah, I think it's fine. 00:26:42.980 --> 00:26:44.980 Yeah, and we'll also do a blog. 00:26:44.980 --> 00:26:46.980 We'll have a blog on the website. 00:26:46.980 --> 00:26:54.980 There is a blog that we want to have a blog is SEO, such as engine marketing, because we want to drive traffic to our app, build some credibility. 00:26:54.980 --> 00:27:01.980 And yeah, on the blog, we're going to be publishing some stuff about podcasting, some of our behind the scenes things we'll go onto the blog as well. 00:27:01.980 --> 00:27:06.980 Maybe Arna will write up some engineering posts about things that we've done, some cool stuff. 00:27:06.980 --> 00:27:12.980 So yeah, I mean, we'll be doing some keyword research and make it sure that actually it's interesting to people, people actually search for that. 00:27:12.980 --> 00:27:23.980 But we need to have a home for that that's wholly owned by us, where we can tweak all of the HTML tags and meta tags and all that that search engines, i.e. Google value. 00:27:23.980 --> 00:27:27.980 And yeah, we could get some more organic reach for meta cast. 00:27:27.980 --> 00:27:33.980 Yeah, once we set it up, maybe we'll talk about it in a future episode about how it works and all that. 00:27:33.980 --> 00:27:34.980 Yeah. 00:27:34.980 --> 00:27:38.980 Today is the deadline to apply for YC. This is the third time we're applying. 00:27:38.980 --> 00:27:41.980 So we've got to finish that off and send it off. 00:27:41.980 --> 00:27:44.980 We are getting very efficient with applying it YC. 00:27:44.980 --> 00:27:48.980 Whenever I hear efficient, I always think of fish in the sea. 00:27:48.980 --> 00:27:50.980 Is that from Dr. Sous also? 00:27:50.980 --> 00:27:51.980 I don't know. 00:27:51.980 --> 00:27:53.980 I think I'll record it from you. 00:27:53.980 --> 00:27:56.980 Or maybe like dev, pelkey. 00:27:56.980 --> 00:28:00.980 Like when you say efficiency, I hear a fish in the sea. 00:28:00.980 --> 00:28:02.980 Okay, a death pill can be dog man. 00:28:02.980 --> 00:28:04.980 No, I think there is no P or P there. 00:28:04.980 --> 00:28:07.980 So I'm not sure if it's a death pill. 00:28:07.980 --> 00:28:11.980 No, no, it's efficient. It will be more appropriate for that pill. 00:28:11.980 --> 00:28:15.980 All right, so maybe we're very lasting because we don't only take a minute or so. 00:28:15.980 --> 00:28:20.980 We also filed our taxes, which I procrastinated quite a bit on. 00:28:20.980 --> 00:28:23.980 We filed them over February, maybe early March. 00:28:23.980 --> 00:28:26.980 So it was also way before the April 15 deadline. 00:28:26.980 --> 00:28:28.980 But we could have done it even sooner. 00:28:28.980 --> 00:28:38.980 We paid $1800 to a tax-prepared professional to file taxes for us, which basically has $500 of expenses or so, maybe 700. 00:28:38.980 --> 00:28:42.980 Maybe 1000. And 1800 is just on the US side, right? 00:28:42.980 --> 00:28:43.980 Just on the US side. 00:28:43.980 --> 00:28:48.980 Technically, the thing that you use to own your stocks and can, it's not part of the company. 00:28:48.980 --> 00:28:50.980 That was actually very simple. 00:28:50.980 --> 00:28:52.980 Like $300 one form. 00:28:52.980 --> 00:29:02.980 I mean, the two relevant four connect and founders like you, in terms of an average of the US-based company, so they would just do the US taxes, unless they own subsidiaries in other countries. 00:29:02.980 --> 00:29:05.980 So just to be clear, what you own is not a subsidiary of Metacast. 00:29:05.980 --> 00:29:07.980 It's an entity that owns part of Metacast. 00:29:07.980 --> 00:29:10.980 So yeah, it was $1800 to file. 00:29:10.980 --> 00:29:13.980 Have we talked about that in the podcast, by the way? 00:29:13.980 --> 00:29:14.980 I think we did, yeah. 00:29:14.980 --> 00:29:18.980 Yeah, because that was quite a lot of figuring out how to set that up. 00:29:18.980 --> 00:29:22.980 Maybe we could do actually educated right up on that on our blog. 00:29:22.980 --> 00:29:27.980 Because I remember you and I had a hard time trying to figure out what's the right way to set this up. 00:29:27.980 --> 00:29:30.980 Oh my god, when we were researching this, there was so little information. 00:29:30.980 --> 00:29:33.980 So actually, I think that we should write this up. 00:29:33.980 --> 00:29:38.980 And like Canadian-American founders working together, it's pretty common. 00:29:38.980 --> 00:29:43.980 Yeah. So also we looked at a startup called Fondo, which could do your taxes at our income level. 00:29:43.980 --> 00:29:48.980 I think we made like $300 or so last year, mostly from book sales and maybe buy me a coffee. 00:29:48.980 --> 00:29:49.980 Maybe a couple of t-shirts, yeah. 00:29:49.980 --> 00:29:50.980 It was simple like that. 00:29:50.980 --> 00:29:53.980 So Fondo would do it for $1450. 00:29:53.980 --> 00:29:55.980 I think it was promotional price. 00:29:55.980 --> 00:29:59.980 And it seemed fine, but I got confused by their interface. 00:29:59.980 --> 00:30:03.980 And I think I sent an email and it... I think they responded, but not right away. 00:30:03.980 --> 00:30:05.980 I'm like, hmm, first time I'm doing this. 00:30:05.980 --> 00:30:07.980 I would rather work with the person. 00:30:07.980 --> 00:30:13.980 So we paid $350 more and went to a professional with three decades of experience. 00:30:13.980 --> 00:30:19.980 And so that was the 1800 is the federal US filing for the company? 00:30:19.980 --> 00:30:22.980 It is a federal filing for the US corporate taxes. 00:30:22.980 --> 00:30:33.980 And I also had to pay, well, we had to pay $100 to file a report in the state of Florida, because that's where we have operations, meaning that I'm based here. 00:30:33.980 --> 00:30:37.980 Right. And nothing in Delaware directly. 00:30:37.980 --> 00:30:44.980 Oh, we also had to pay the Delaware franchise tax, which was $450 or $350, I forgot the number. 00:30:44.980 --> 00:30:49.980 So we paid about $2,500 in taxes and fees. 00:30:49.980 --> 00:30:51.980 It's not even taxes. It's just fees. 00:30:51.980 --> 00:30:53.980 And there is no taxes, right? 00:30:53.980 --> 00:30:55.980 Like, we didn't actually pay any taxes. 00:30:55.980 --> 00:30:57.980 Yeah, because we haven't made anything. 00:30:57.980 --> 00:30:59.980 We spent more than we made, so there are no taxes, right? 00:30:59.980 --> 00:31:02.980 And we didn't have any payroll this year. 00:31:02.980 --> 00:31:05.980 So if we had payroll, we would also have to deal with all of that. 00:31:05.980 --> 00:31:13.980 Medicaid, Medicare, all of that stuff, which we would have to pay for a payroll system, which I checked, cost, Gusto, it's like the most popular one. 00:31:13.980 --> 00:31:17.980 Costs 40 bucks per month plus $9 per every employee. 00:31:17.980 --> 00:31:19.980 So which for us would be $60. 00:31:19.980 --> 00:31:21.980 We would be paying you differently because you're in Canada. 00:31:21.980 --> 00:31:34.980 I don't know if it goes through payroll, but we would have to have some separate thing for that to eventually we should create a manual for how to run a company, especially once you start paying money and maybe dividends, yeah, we should do that. 00:31:34.980 --> 00:31:38.980 All right, so we've already done longer than we wanted. 00:31:38.980 --> 00:31:44.980 Let's finish this really quick with what are you listening and reading on up these days? 00:31:44.980 --> 00:31:57.980 So I watched the Netflix 3-Body Problem series, loved it so much, then I got my wife and daughter to watch it as well and some friends, everybody's loving it so far. 00:31:57.980 --> 00:32:00.980 And we finished it within like a couple of days. 00:32:00.980 --> 00:32:07.980 So then I thought, okay, it's been a while since the third or four time I read these books, so why don't I go do that again? 00:32:07.980 --> 00:32:12.980 So I'm about 60% of the way into the second book right now. 00:32:12.980 --> 00:32:16.980 This is a three-body series, this is a three-book series. 00:32:16.980 --> 00:32:18.980 So I'm about halfway there. 00:32:18.980 --> 00:32:24.980 I watched Dune 2 and I was like, okay, I got to read those books again. 00:32:24.980 --> 00:32:33.980 So started that, I'm about 60% into the first book, but that one actually for a change after a long time, I'm actually reading it on a Kindle. 00:32:33.980 --> 00:32:35.980 I usually can't read much. 00:32:35.980 --> 00:32:40.980 I'm more of an audio book-sky-no-person, so that one I'm reading. 00:32:40.980 --> 00:32:48.980 And just today, I will say it's actually a podcast, but like you said, on LinkedIn, it feels more like an audio book. 00:32:48.980 --> 00:32:52.980 The acquired podcast, Microsoft episode came out today. 00:32:52.980 --> 00:32:55.980 It's like four and a half hours, so I'm excited about that too. 00:32:55.980 --> 00:32:56.980 I just started it. 00:32:56.980 --> 00:32:58.980 Was Metacast able to transcribe it? 00:32:58.980 --> 00:33:02.980 Yes. Nice. And beautifully, so great, yeah. 00:33:02.980 --> 00:33:06.980 So Metacast.app is where you can download the app. 00:33:06.980 --> 00:33:09.980 You can go to search, find the acquired podcast. 00:33:09.980 --> 00:33:14.980 And Microsoft episode will be at the top, just hit play and enjoy. 00:33:14.980 --> 00:33:16.980 And yeah, you can use the transcript. 00:33:16.980 --> 00:33:19.980 You don't want to find anything, because it's like a book, you just want to listen to it. 00:33:19.980 --> 00:33:24.980 But if you find something interesting, you can make highlights and share parts of that episode. 00:33:24.980 --> 00:33:28.980 Yeah, so just like you, I've been watching some sci-fi. 00:33:28.980 --> 00:33:30.980 My son and I have been watching Star Wars. 00:33:30.980 --> 00:33:35.980 After he read the three-body problem, he got really into sci-fi a lot more. 00:33:35.980 --> 00:33:37.980 We watched six movies of Star Wars. 00:33:37.980 --> 00:33:39.980 We were watching them in order they were released. 00:33:39.980 --> 00:33:42.980 And yesterday we watched half of Rogue One. 00:33:42.980 --> 00:33:44.980 And we are going to finish it today. 00:33:44.980 --> 00:33:48.980 Oh, Rogue One is my favorite, I think, Star Wars movie. 00:33:48.980 --> 00:33:51.980 I mean plot-wise, I prefer the original ones. 00:33:51.980 --> 00:33:55.980 And also the episode three, I think, where Anakin becomes Darth Vader. 00:33:55.980 --> 00:33:59.980 That's probably my favorite episode plot-wise, but cinematic-wise. 00:33:59.980 --> 00:34:01.980 The suspense-wise, Rogue One is great. 00:34:01.980 --> 00:34:05.980 Rogue One is so integral to the whole Star Wars story. 00:34:05.980 --> 00:34:09.980 But it's also completely separate, a standalone story of its own. 00:34:09.980 --> 00:34:12.980 The casting is amazing, I think, the acting. 00:34:12.980 --> 00:34:14.980 And everything is amazing, I loved it. 00:34:14.980 --> 00:34:22.980 Yeah, because there is the weird lack of transition between episode three and episode four, where did they get the Death Star plans? 00:34:22.980 --> 00:34:24.980 So we've been bingeing on that. 00:34:24.980 --> 00:34:38.980 And unlike you, well, I actually like you, I've always been an audiobook person, but more recently, somehow, I just don't find listening to audiobooks appealing, because what I realize, I miss a lot of detail when I listen. 00:34:38.980 --> 00:34:44.980 So I think for the last year or so, I haven't listened to any audiobooks, only read books. 00:34:44.980 --> 00:34:46.980 I like listening to podcasts, I like the live conversation. 00:34:46.980 --> 00:34:54.980 But the reading I prefer, especially books like Dune, where there is a lot of weird words in terminology, and a lot of things you don't understand there. 00:34:54.980 --> 00:34:56.980 I prefer the slow mode of reading. 00:34:56.980 --> 00:35:00.980 Yeah, you mean like the Gom Jabber and the Quizzats, 00:35:00.980 --> 00:35:09.980 Haderak, and me? Yes. For me, it's easier to make that connection visually when I see Gom Jabber and Page 30 and Page 450. 00:35:09.980 --> 00:35:12.980 My visual memory, I think, is better than my audio memory. 00:35:12.980 --> 00:35:19.980 And also, as a side note, of course, I picked up the audiobook for Dune first, but I didn't like it at all. 00:35:19.980 --> 00:35:28.980 You know, it's like a theatrical production, so it's like multiple characters, and they're very dramatized kind of reading. 00:35:28.980 --> 00:35:33.980 And I didn't like it at all, so I'm enjoying the book much more. 00:35:33.980 --> 00:35:37.980 I tried Dune in the regular non-traumatization version. 00:35:37.980 --> 00:35:40.980 For me, it was just overwhelming in terms of details. 00:35:40.980 --> 00:35:44.980 I can't just listen to it while driving, or while doing something in the house. 00:35:44.980 --> 00:35:50.980 This kind of books, you know, in my opinion for me personally, I have to have the intent to really like immerse myself in it. 00:35:50.980 --> 00:35:52.980 So, but I thought it was just sci-fi. 00:35:52.980 --> 00:35:54.980 I just started reading this book called Revolutionary Road. 00:35:54.980 --> 00:35:56.980 Have you heard of it? Or maybe you watched the movie? 00:35:56.980 --> 00:35:58.980 I have heard of it, yeah. 00:35:58.980 --> 00:36:03.980 So, there was a movie from maybe early 2000s, with another DiCaprio and Kate Winslet, again. 00:36:03.980 --> 00:36:08.980 There's like a couple in mid-50s, living in the Connecticut, Suburbia. 00:36:08.980 --> 00:36:12.980 And it's like a weird family story kind of thing, a relationship story. 00:36:12.980 --> 00:36:21.980 I never really read this kind of books, but because I watched the movie many years ago and I liked it, and I came across the book somebody mentioned it, and I'm like, okay, maybe I should read it. 00:36:21.980 --> 00:36:23.980 It's a page journal, I just can't stop it. 00:36:23.980 --> 00:36:27.980 But then I also got the audiobook, and I tried to listen to it, so I could switch back and forth. 00:36:27.980 --> 00:36:41.980 And what I realized, even this kind of fairly simple plot, like no complications in terms of theorems and all that, I still feel like there's just so much psychology and stuff going on in a relationship that I do tend to miss the detail. 00:36:41.980 --> 00:36:44.980 So, I listened about half a chapter, half the third chapter, when I switched. 00:36:44.980 --> 00:36:45.980 And I'm like, no, it's just not working. 00:36:45.980 --> 00:36:50.980 So, I got the audiobook back, and yeah, I'm just reading the paperbook now. 00:36:50.980 --> 00:36:53.980 That's interesting, because it's the opposite way for me. 00:36:53.980 --> 00:36:57.980 I feel like my brain grasps a lot more when I'm listening. 00:36:57.980 --> 00:37:03.980 And when I'm reading, even if I'm fully focused, I read very fast, I think maybe that's why. 00:37:03.980 --> 00:37:07.980 Whereas in audio, I always listen to it at 1.x, 1.0. 00:37:07.980 --> 00:37:13.980 Whereas when I'm reading, I skip over a lot of things if I find it boring, I'll like, quickly skip over things like that. 00:37:13.980 --> 00:37:14.980 So, I see. 00:37:14.980 --> 00:37:20.980 So, the last thing I can conclude with like recommendations, is a re-cruelbin, who is a legendary music producer. 00:37:20.980 --> 00:37:23.980 He has a podcast called Tetra Grammaton. 00:37:23.980 --> 00:37:25.980 Well, good luck, thanks for spelling it. 00:37:25.980 --> 00:37:26.980 You could just search for re-cruelbin. 00:37:26.980 --> 00:37:29.980 So, he has some very interesting R.T. people on his show. 00:37:29.980 --> 00:37:32.980 But also, actually not just R.T. 00:37:32.980 --> 00:37:37.980 So, I listened to a few episodes, one with Edward Norton, an actor. 00:37:37.980 --> 00:37:41.980 The other one that I'm finishing now is John Kabadzin, who is a meditation teacher. 00:37:41.980 --> 00:37:45.980 He started like a meditation practice in late 70s, I think. 00:37:45.980 --> 00:37:48.980 So, he was one of the first who do it actually in the States. 00:37:48.980 --> 00:37:50.980 He is about 18 now. 00:37:50.980 --> 00:37:58.980 So, his book, wherever you go, there you are, is the book from where I learned that such a thing as meditation even exists as somebody recommended to me 10 years ago. 00:37:58.980 --> 00:38:03.980 It's a very interesting, because re-cruelbin, he himself, is a very philosophical-ish thinker. 00:38:03.980 --> 00:38:06.980 He's very much spiritual. 00:38:06.980 --> 00:38:08.980 So, I really love these discussions. 00:38:08.980 --> 00:38:13.980 Yeah, so, I'm enjoying those interviews now, which are also very long. 00:38:13.980 --> 00:38:14.980 Great. 00:38:14.980 --> 00:38:16.980 We'll see you soon. 00:38:16.980 --> 00:38:22.980 Now that our travels are done, actually, oh, one of the other things since we haven't recorded. 00:38:22.980 --> 00:38:25.980 I was out for 10 days in Mexico. 00:38:25.980 --> 00:38:26.980 You were sick before that. 00:38:26.980 --> 00:38:29.980 Then I came to Florida, so that's why the whole gap. 00:38:29.980 --> 00:38:35.980 Now, I think we'll start to get into the regular rhythm of every couple of weeks, the Metacast behind the scenes podcast. 00:38:35.980 --> 00:38:40.980 Yes, every other week on Wednesdays at 3.03 a.m. Eastern. 00:38:40.980 --> 00:38:42.980 All right. 00:38:42.980 --> 00:38:44.980 All right. 00:38:44.980 --> 00:38:46.980 Ciao. See you next time. 00:38:46.980 --> 00:39:15.980 Bye.